Steppenwolf

+1 Then again plently of people have died in the world because they have spoken freely about a subject. It is funny how people parrot the mantra of free speech this, free speech that but you realise it's not really free. 2 world wars were thought so we could have some semblance of free speech and now we just take it for granted.

That pretty much is the idea. A clever way to attack gun ownership by attacking the ammunition that they use.

Don't give up this is their plan, to make it so hard and take so long to apply for a shotgun or firearm license that you give up. Remember while you are still waiting you could always use a club gun or visit a clayground and rent a shotgun for the day. You can carry on shooting while you are waiting for your license and then when your license comes it will be like the cherry on top.

I think you have to apply for an export form from the atf.I don't think you can take posession of the gun yourself, you must ship to local dealer in the UK and then take it from there. Best thing is look on the AFT (Alcohol,Tobacco and Firearms) website. https://www.atf.gov/content/Firearms/firearms-industry

Thanks for the information. According to what you wrote the guy in the story could have easilly added those rifles to a firearms license then.

So what is then the process if someone wants to make a firearm, one which would be legal in the UK and then legally register it?

If they do that I will personally make a thread praising the police. Unfortunately lately when it comes to decision regarding firearms licensing they don't have a good track record. I will praise the Home Office though for not enforcing mandatory electronic data storage for RFDs. There you go mick, I have praised the establishment, who would have thought?

If you think like that it won't. I think persoanlly that it will, that it is flourishing and that it will survive no matter how many hoplophobes shout and scream.

+1. I think it's just another tool in the antigunner's arsenal to have an excuse to get rid of guns from people. Nxt it will be: Interview the missus to see if she is against guns when applying for a license.

That is brilliant! If that happened in our Parliament it would be a win-win situation. Seeing a most hated politicians getting smashed in the face would be priceles, in fact I would pay money for that!

So how many law abiding conceal cariers are there in Manchester, Birmingham or all of the above cities you mention? Oh yeah a big fat zero since carring anythiing designed for self-defence is classed as an offensive weapon. So why aren't those criminals in our cities following the laws and carrying illegal guns and weapons? OH BECAUSE CRIMINALS DON'T FOLLOW LAWS!

Anti-terrorism laws, libel laws meant to stifle free speech, smoking ban in pubs need I go on... I never said I was a leading expert on asthma or the legal system.

Criminals deep down are cowards they go for waht they think is a soft target. When reality hits and a law abiding citizen pulls out a conceal carry gun most **** thier trousers and bail out.

That is of course ytour opinion and I respectfully disagree. I beleive that in America at least there are many cases where potential murderous rampages have been stopped because someone was conceal carrying. Of course these incidents don't get as much media atention since it didn't have a high body count and because the media doesn't like to tackle the elephant in the room. That conceal carried guns overwhelmingly are a force for good and not for bad. Yeah you could have done better in a high stress rapid fire situation and I get called the armchair warrior.

That is an important point. I can just see police pulling over a lot of A-level students who are legally allowed to drive but if they dare light up in their car they will be breaking the law. Hillarious. Then again British Laws in the last 10 years have bordered on the ludicrous and tyrannical.