Christopher Polumbos

Ok two part answer..... to Beretta, 'your statement without merit or truth', it doesnt look anything like a 'mexican wave'.as you put it. the video used was to show the travel and lifelike flap given in slow motion, that's not how you would use it in the field, nor would you have it flapping for any more than a couple of seconds on a random timer, so being able to spot any time difference between each wing is impossible. You also exclaimed. 'not how a pigeon flies!!!', it's not designed to look like a flying pigeon, it's supposed to represent a landing pigeon, again with the timer, a few flaps as the bird lands or moves about in the feeding flock. so in my opinion, you've never seen one in action, can't make sweeping statements, capped off with exclamation marks and smiley faces, and not expect to get a reation from someone who knows the machine inside out, and uses it on a weekly basis, and designed it!... And that Bakerboy, answers your question as well. whether or not Beretta will own up or deny a vested interest in his flapper of choice is yet to be seen. I have nothing more to add to this conversation, Gentlemen, enjoy your shooting!

Very true Bakerboy, it's a little frustrating to read someone making a statement that is completely without merit or truth, especially as they obviousely havent seen the ff working in real life, and the obvious response if one of defence. Every one has their own opinions on what works and what doesn't. Beretta06 lives not far from me, by the looks of it, he is more than welcome to borrow an ff4 to try for himself.

If you watch footage of pigeons landing they twist and turn , one wing goes up, the other goes down, they are all over the place. It's totally irrelevant that one wing on the flapper is a fraction of second behind the other. lets not forget , our 'target' is a bird way up in the sky, looking for the flash of the wing bar, and the ff4 delivers that, no question

No your eyesight is fine Bereetta, it's in s.l.o.w.m.o.t.i.o.n..that's why you can see it, check the video of it on a straw bale, .. and the 'guru' purchased two ff4's, incognito, and didn't make contact until after he'd finished trialling them, to say they were going to do an article in the magazine...

When it's run at the proper speed the minimal difference in drop is totally un- noticable as it's a millisecond of difference. whether or not i have an interest in the product is irrelevant. all I will say is this machine is highly rated by a certain Pigeon guru for Sporting Gun magazine, and will be features in a special article on it, in the very near future. ... Everyone who has puchased one have given highly positive feedback, and rated the ff4 over other flappers on the market.

Excuse me, but i beg to differ! the wings do flap together! the only 'cyclic'motion is from the drive cam on the motor. the wings are pushed up and down in a very realistic manner.by the wing bars on the cradle. EXCATLEY how a pigeon flies, see thier slowmo on youtube to see how realistic it is. and its very robust, and well mad, using quality materials.

Get the ff4 from flightline decoys you can use it for dead birds, and the full bodied foam wing decoy and the sillosocks hypaflap. a 12v 7amp, lead acid battery will cost you a tenner on Flebay, and will run the ff4 all day.when used with a random timer.

Get the ff4, you can put real birds on the removabe cradle, take that off , and you can use the sillosocks hypaflap, or the full bodied foam wing decoy, and the ground spike comes off, and you can put it up the air on your bouncer. it will be featured in Sporting Shooter next month I believe.

Had much the same happen to me With a Jack Pyke floater and rod... complete waste of money,

Didn't think we were allowed to post links to other website, not advertising on here?....nice bit of kit tho

If you mean spinning round in circles, I would say fix them, but a little movement is natural, but not if they are disco dancing!! Good luck

A couple of ff4' flappers is all I use now, haven't used the rotary for over a year.

Do you think that's because the pigeon are more gluttenous, and eat everything they can find edible. And the corvids are a bit fussier or take thier time?

Been reading some great feedback on Facebook about the the ff4 multibird flapper, but I noticed the waiting list is over two weeks ....is it worth waiting for...anyone got one?

If you were shooting from the same field over a given period of weeks, they might start to associate the truck with danger, but normally it doesn't worry them, they land in the field with the tractor sewing. it's not vehicles that they are worried about it's them blighters in cammo gear!