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  9. Putin announces 'military operation' in Ukraine.

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    40 minutes ago, henry d said:

    You don't seem to want to go pre 14 do you? A section of pro Russian government,  including the premier does a u turn on an economic deal with the EU. The government is overthrown and Russia bumps up the price of gas by 80% 🤔

    Did you bother to watch Ukraine on fire? They interview him over his decision. The cheap gas deal was better financially for the country than the loans the west were giving. If he took that deal then they would be paying fuel prices which he couldn't afford to pay.

     

     

  10. Putin announces 'military operation' in Ukraine.

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    4 minutes ago, henry d said:

    Because the law stayed that the whole country needed to vote on it, Donbass decided to have an illegal referendum.

    And for not accepting the overthrow of their elected government in 2014, the resistance must be crushed. If they vote to be autonomous it's against the illegal government and must be crushed. If they decided to join the Russian Federation they definitely must be crushed. Was the Donbass daily shelling Kiev for 8 years

  11. Putin announces 'military operation' in Ukraine.

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    4 hours ago, treetree said:

    What I'm not doing in cheerleader from the sides, supporting actions that will lead to further needless loss of life and destruction. I suspect you are willing to 'fight' this war until the last drop of Ukrainian blood.

    Agreed.

    Anybody who has seen waring parties with lawyers will understand there is a point if you don't agree there will nothing left and the lawyers are rich. Cue the military industrial complex.

  12. Putin announces 'military operation' in Ukraine.

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    2 hours ago, welsh1 said:

    So it's ok for Russia to invade ukraine and kill the people?

    Russia should have nothing at all to so with Ukraine's internal affairs and has no legal reason to invade Ukraine .

    Let Ukraine sort it's problems out.

     

    Now Russia has laid waste to Ukraine, the rest of Europe has also to suffer fuel and food price rises/shortages.

    An aggressive act of war from Russia led by a deranged fool.

    If Ukraine had wanted to join NATO they were free to do so, it's not up to Russia it's up to Ukraine.

     

    Russia was invited by the people who previously identified as Ukrainians to protect them.

    Ukraine wants to join NATO, except NATO is not so ready to fast track membership them like Sweden. That tells you everything.

  13. Putin announces 'military operation' in Ukraine.

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    7 hours ago, welsh1 said:

    So if russia had not invaded ukraine all those ukranians would not have died would they?

    Why should ukraine negotiate? they were invaded.

    There was plenty of Russian speaking of Ukrainians dying already, bombed every day in the city before March. Ukrainian should negotiate for better terms before they face an unconditional surrender or dragged into a war that neither they or their allies can afford and eventually tun into a completely failed state like Somalia that nobody will support.

  14. Putin announces 'military operation' in Ukraine.

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    2 hours ago, welsh1 said:

    So it's ok for Russia to invade ukraine and kill the people?

    Russia should have nothing at all to so with Ukraine's internal affairs and has no legal reason to invade Ukraine .

    Let Ukraine sort it's problems out.

     

    Now Russia has laid waste to Ukraine, the rest of Europe has also to suffer fuel and food price rises/shortages.

    An aggressive act of war from Russia led by a deranged fool.

    If Ukraine had wanted to join NATO they were free to do so, it's not up to Russia it's up to Ukraine.

     

    It's unfortunate that the very countries that put sanctions on the country supplying food and energy are complaining that it is Russia's fault. China and India continue to buy energy and goods at cheap prices.

    Much like blaming everything on Covid rather than the government actions that caused the economic meltdown. Which depends who you talk to was necessary to save the NHS or was a complete over reaction bloated scam.

    2 hours ago, Gordon R said:

    I asked about your actions concerning other conflicts. You have no answer, but the rather sad quote above.

    Demanding answers from everyone again and complaining about the answer? Very strange behaviour.

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    2 minutes ago, treetree said:

    Which part of the Minsk agreement should they have taken exception to? Why could the Donbass not have been an autonomous region within Ukraine? What is unreasonable about Ukraine not joining NATO or hosting NATO military advisors, given that NATO is really just an instrument of US foreign policy.

    Zelensky was elected on a mandate of finding a peaceful outcome. He was bullied out of that by the Azov thugs and other nationalists.

    Yes, ending the conflict, and stamping out corruption.

    Then the word got out rather than get back to the negotiations he amassed a nato trained force and was heading to donbass.

  16. Putin announces 'military operation' in Ukraine.

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    4 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

    Standard get out of jail card, by some who think it was okay for Russia to invade.

    For those who cite other conflicts and ask if others were as outraged, perhaps they could say what they have done about the other conflicts. Anything at all? 

    I remember getting a surcharge on my car license for the military operation in East Timor. It was the first time as a poor student that it hit home wars cost money and poor people who want nothing to do with it actually are least able to afford it.

    What could I do nothing, but the next time a flogger tells me I need to support a war I've got nothing to do with I take a deep breathe 

  17. Putin announces 'military operation' in Ukraine.

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    5 hours ago, Mungler said:


    They’re nuts. They’re too far down the free thought rabbit warren where all tunnels lead to NATO and the US 😆

    Did Putin explore all political avenues, was Russia under threat, were there other alternatives to starting an invasion and a war, did the Russians have to shell to rubble civilian targets, even as of today do the Russians have to shell power stations and attack civil infrastructure far behind the battle lines  - the list is obvious and long and you’ll get no sense off about 3 or 4 on here.

    I still don’t think it is clear that Putin’s invasion was motivated by some spat inside Ukraine - it’s what a lot of people have alighted to after the event to make some sense of it, but that’s not what the Kremlin have been saying along the way. 

    Some people are just a bit broken. 

     

    I missed that part about your heating bills? How much is the government using other people's money to cover your heating bills?

  18. Putin announces 'military operation' in Ukraine.

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    3 hours ago, Mungler said:

    1. That's a first world problem. No matter how bad I think my gas bill will be this winter, at least I won't be waking up to find a Russian tank in my living room and my family raped and murdered by Putin's army of trolls.

    2. Well, we know how the Israelis love the Iranians. If Russia wants to send hoards of killers drones into civilian areas then Ukraine seeking defensive measures and assistance from others has to be expected surely.

     

    How much is the government (other taxpayers) covering your heating bills?

    No, the Jews and Arabs will be fighting after this conflict.  You do not want it to spread, Israel has at least 25 nukes.

     

  19. Putin announces 'military operation' in Ukraine.

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    52 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

    So if russia had not invaded ukraine, would this woman have been injured by russian bombs falling on her town in ukraine?


    This woman was hoping to have a peaceful pregnancy and not get injured by russia dropping bombs on her town in ukraine, now she is terrified for her and her unborn child

     

    woman preg ukraine.jpg

    Did you ever see the 2 interviews from this russian donbass woman about what happened? If you listen carefully to what she says you will see this appears to be a media setup designed for maximum exposure.

    14 minutes ago, clangerman said:

    I wonder how many lives could have been saved if people complied with western wishes to save us slaughtering them! 

    Millions. Does anybody not think the civilians casualties are very very low compared to Iraq?

  20. Putin announces 'military operation' in Ukraine.

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    There goes the pipe. The swedes have decided to withdraw from the joint investigation sighting national security concerns.

     

    55 minutes ago, Mungler said:

    Corrr you Putin apologists really do want to bend over backwards to rationalize and forgive an invasion and mass murder.

    As for the pipeline being blown up - yes, all very interesting but rather after the event and distracting from the war and invasion bit.

    Indeed, none of the excuses or "look over there what about that" changes the whole unnecessary invasion and mass murder of civilians bit.

    And as for blaming the USA, that's brilliant. No mention of Putin of course because it's all the fault of the US. That's crackers. If Russia wanted to fair better on the world stage and sustain less sanctions, well they could have tried for fewer invasions. But no, of course, it's all the Yanks fault 🙂

     

     

     

    How much is the UK government covering your heating bills? Should the bill be sent to the US taxpayer?

    So Zelensky is now asking Israel for their Iron Shield defence. 

  22. Putin announces 'military operation' in Ukraine.

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    5 hours ago, Mungler said:


    You say whataboutery and then link to Grenada? Talk about irony (and obscurity) 😆😆

     

     

    Yep, being frozen out of the civilised world for a decade hasn’t helped Russia keep up with technology or modern warfare and it’s only Iran who will now supply them. Indeed, no sign of the Chinese helping yet which is telling.

    Most of the Iranian drones are getting shot down (unsurprisingly the Israelis have a solution) but the anti aircraft batteries are around military installations whereas Putin is sending the drones into high density civilian areas, which is nice. Must have run out of poetry? 

    In fairness, no one could work out why the Russians were squandering their limited stocks of expensive guided / cruise missiles to take out the odd civilian - the ratio at one stage was 1 No $250,000 missile for a hairdresser or nursery school teacher. Master tactician and all that. 

    Just as well; after all, they can’t keep the eye wateringly expensive SU-34’s in the air can they? 😆😆

    Yes Grenada, where the USA went and invaded to save American students and could wait to get rod of them commie plotters.

    Even though thatcher said Reagan shouldn't and the UN declared illegal.

    It's alright when we do it.

    Speaking of which, Sweden is now not going to publish findings of Nordstream 2 explosion sighting national security and now the Germans have said they know who did it but not naming anyone. What that tells me it wasn't Russia or it would be on the airways 24/7.

    So when your allies blow up your cheap energy supply,  when do they stop becoming your ally?

     

     

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