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Plenty of conflict around the world.
You want to be involved in all of them? And how would that involvement be, troops on the ground for some virtue signalling cause or just selling arms at highly inflated prices?
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Peace in the Balklans is important. Prolonging the war is not the best outcome for the region. Any lawyer will tell you your chances of winning and the cost. At some point you say the cost is not worth it. Some are zealots and will die for their cause, others say no thanks.
Musk said let them vote on twitter if they want to leave, now they are removing his pictures as a supporter in Odessa. That's how fast the if you are not with us, you are against us mood can turn. I see it all the time in governments, unions and the mob.
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So the requests for Himars, Tanks, fighter jets has gone quiet and now they asking for air defence systems.
Soon Europe is going to have little reserves left for themselves.
Soon Zelensky will be asking for troops on the ground.
Just keep sending them to the money pit.
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2 hours ago, Mungler said:
Indeed, we were all getting along fine until Russia decided to invade Ukraine and a start a war.
Now we're not.
Go figure?
Pretty limited view of the world. Instability in North Africa and the Middle East that Europe caused has resulted in an influx of refugees into Europe.
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38 minutes ago, Gordon R said:
Does "work with its neighbours" normally mean invading them?
Just who, aside from you, designated Lavrov as the shrewdest Foreign Minister in the World?
Yeah well , Truss can't tell the difference between the black Sea and the Baltic sea.
Lavrov showed Kerry he had the pull with Assad over chemical weapons inspections.
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I was hoping Zelensky would pull the UA out of donbass and if they wanted to join the russian federation, let them.
However that is not to be so the more Zelensky ramps it up with the goading of the West, the more the russian's will reduce his ability to remove them.
Unlike the USA or the UK, Russia spans Europe, the Middle East and the Far East. It has shrewdest foreign minister Lavrov.
It has to work with its neighbours regardless.
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Whoa, there. Removing Saddam, Gadaffi, the Taliban certainly did improve things there. Just ask the MSM and the military industrial complex.
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Mugabe lasted until he was well in his nineties, it was almost like Breakfast at Bernies there for the last few years. Not me saying that the West has to do something otherwise the expansion of Russia will move west and into europe.
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1 minute ago, welsh1 said:
More a case of warning putin that there will be severe consequences should he decide on the stupid option.
Currently with US$60B+ worth of military aid flowing into Ukraine in 8 months and most of it used up already and 8 rounds of economic sanctions, what consequences would that be?
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Just now, ShootingEgg said:
I know, but realistically who has the nuts to drop a payload into Russia... Anything the 'west' do he will retaliate and three fold... It's a proper stinker of a situation.. with no real definitive answer
Plenty of Brits came back to the UK because of Mugabe. Maybe NATO should have declared war on him with all the killiings? Instead the place just turned into a corrupted basket case. I used to have a billion dollar note that I pinned to my office wall.
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Just now, ShootingEgg said:
A very sad but fair assesment of the situation.. posturing at its best at the moment. The only thing that will stop Russia is Putin actually being very sick and passing away and then the people around him changing their position..
Lol, how long did Mugabe live, 95?
2 minutes ago, welsh1 said:So should other countries do nothing, watch ukraine citizens get slaughtered and let russia take control of ukraine?
Do we then do nothing if russia decides to invade hungary, slovakia,romania etc because he knows that other countries will not oppose him?
Where is the line in the sand?
Mehhh. If they are so concerned why don't they declare war on Russia and put boots on the ground.
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Looks like the US wants russian aluminium off the menu.
Well is there anything left to sanction?
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3 hours ago, Mungler said:
If we have a really really cold winter it could well be that all bets are off as the Germans (who idiotically allowed themselves to be manipulated into energy independence on Russia) start to cave in on the sanctions.
But Putin can’t win this war or occupy Ukraine long term and whatever he thought he would get out of it he’s already lost.
And yes, his downfall has been the inherent corruption in all things Russian and the inability of anyone to speak the truth let alone truth to power.
There we go. Talk about a weakened Russia on every level. Great job.
And they say there was almost a negotiated peace deal in March until Boris stepped in. Now Boris is gone, just like Cameron after Brexit with no idea to smooth out the mess they started. And here we are.
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3 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:
That is not necessarily so; it may well be that it is as every bit as simple as it looks. Russia (well Putin as Russia's Head of State playing the hard man) being the bully and banking on the 'soft' West backing down. It is alleged that having surrounded himself with 'yes men' (people who gave him bad news didn't get asked again), he was told his troops would be welcomed when they crossed the border and be in power in Kiev in days. It didn't happen - because he was told what he wanted to hear, not the real situation.
There is an argument that in Russia, human life has a lower 'value' that in the West, so IF there was a mass threatening on human existence - the (softer) West would back down first.
There is also an argument that if Putin backs down, he will be deposed and disgraced and quite likely meet with an 'accident'. - therefore he (personally) has little to lose.
On the other hand, he can't really win; IF and it is a very big IF, he militarily 'conquered' the provinces he has claimed as Russian, there will be continual terrorist activity and it will be near impossible to have a decent 'peace' because too many residents are against it. At the same time - Russia will suffer severe economic penalties causing unrest at home in Russia. No more western 'luxuries' and no more easy use of western chips, technology etc. Europe is no longer going to be dependent on Russian gas and oil - and he has played that card - and it looks like it was a weak card - we will know for sure after the winter.
Well history shows a different outcome about continued terrorist activity.
Crimea voted in a referendum and was at peace for 8 years. Chechnya has also been at peace for the last decade.
The referendums that were held showed the majority wanted to join Russian federation and they are handing out Russian passports giving greater opportunities to everyone. Very smart move.
Was America offering passports to all Afghans or Iraqis? Nope. They just had to run for their lives as collaborators.
3 hours ago, Mungler said:
No, I don’t need to. They are entirely irrelevant to the matters to hand.I thought you would want to educate yourself but I was wrong.
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1 hour ago, Mungler said:
This isn’t about the UN.This is about your insistence of an invasion and war being a special military operation.
If you want to consider every UN mission a war or an act of war, I don’t care, fill your boots.
What we have nonetheless arrived at is a war between Russia and Ukraine resulting from Russia’s invasion of the Ukraine.
Now we’ve highlighted the utter the ridiculousness of ‘special military operation’ and debunked that daft fiction I am intrigued to know why you maintained the use of ‘special military operation’. Is that just because the Kremlin told you to?
Did you read the link on US panama invasion or the declaration of war?
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Looks like it kept the peace, and they didn't need to invade.
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2 hours ago, Stonepark said:
There are no winners but to try and blame Russia for everything as some do is not an objective viewpoint.
Putin and his cronies have gotten rich over the last 20 years and may well have carried out assassinations as is alleged or made political rivals disappear, but in general they have improved things in Russia which is why they are still in power.
However, this is no different as to how the West operates with MI6 agents turning up in holdalls, Iranian generals being bombed in third party countries, many of the whistle blowers in the USA turning up dead having had heart attacks or car accidents (especially after having a run in with a Clinton) or the current Hunter laptop where a drug taking paedofile and his equally paedo father have been protected and an election effectively stolen by not reporting the truth at the time of discovery, dodgy voting machines and mail in voting practices, the mass murder of young people by the COVID vaccination due to adverse reactions etc etc
Of all the countries in the world it's ironic that the leader of the free world's son is caught up in dodgy gas company and bio research with 10% to the big guy.
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Why? Because the UN pats its self on the back and calls it that legally? Because according to some here any invasion, or invasion with armed personnel or invasion with armed personnel that kill civilians is war no matter what is called legally.
And here is something about the declaration of war.
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1 hour ago, Mungler said:
Let me help you.
‘War’ is defined as a state of armed conflict between different countries or different groups within a country.
So, there we have it (and even on your definition) Russia and Ukraine are at war.
I think we’re agreed on ‘invasion’ and that Russia has invaded Ukraine, and so to recap, following Russia invading Ukraine, a state of war exists between those countries.
We got there in the end eh?
So every UN defned peace keeping mission that has armed personnel invading another country is actually war? Following that logic seems we have world wars breaking out all the time. I don't think so.
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42 minutes ago, welsh1 said:
Were we talking about iraq? if you want to have a discussion on the rights and wrongs of that then start a new thread.Nothing like trying to change the subject when you know it's true is there?
In the mean time lets talk about what this thread is about, the illegal invasion of ukraine by russia which is an act of war.When the UN decides to send troops to another country like Somalia. Has the UN declared war on Somalia? Or is the invasion a special military operation which results in 1500 dead?
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1 hour ago, Mungler said:
What are you blathering on about? Panama, Iraq, whatever. Irrelevant. Historic events do not predetermine the here and now or alter the Oxford English dictionary.
Regardless of whatever whataboutery you wish to refer to now, the brass tacks remain - rolling tanks over the border (indeed the majority of borders by compass direction) of a democratic sovereign nation, murdering it's citizens and seeking to occupy foreign territory is the dictionary definition of an invasion and an act of war. That's a fact.
Fill your boots with special military operation, Panama, Iraq, WMD, pyramids and lizard people.
It's only a special military operation because Putin said so, and of course that's good enough for you and your inquiring mind.... challenge MSM, challenge NATO direction, challenge everything but Russian propaganda and anything Putin says or does. You are brainwashed.
Most law is based on historical precedent going right back to the Magna Carta and beyond.
Basing all legal rights on whatever you decide today is not feasible nor is how the laws have evolved for a millennia. Ignore at your peril.
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Action is going to hot up in the next few weeks. There is going to be plenty to talk about as we head into winter.
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So after all that you didn't bother to read the linkin the panama invasion?
Normally a naval blockade is enough for a country to declare war. Soon it will be 8 rounds of evonomic sanctions. Are you prepared for the UK to declare war on Russia?
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Pretty much a throw away line these days, bot seems to overtaken racist.
Enoch Powell would be turning in his grave how easily people can get a label without working hard for it.
Putin announces 'military operation' in Ukraine.
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Really?
So who blew up the gas pipelines and Crimean bridge? If it isn't Russia and it wasn't Ukraine then looks like more than 1 aggressor.