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  1. 10 minutes ago, Mungler said:

    Oh give over. How about a criticism for starting a war, invading Ukraine and causing the needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of people?

    Your criticism of Putin is up there with ‘he tries too hard and cares too much’.

    Pppffftt.

    There was never a deal in March and here’s the FT link https://www.ft.com/content/7b341e46-d375-4817-be67-802b7fa77ef1

    I liked this bit where they say ‘war’ and not ‘special military operation’ 😉👊

    Putin showed no sign of compromise on Wednesday, vowing Moscow would achieve all of its war aims in Ukraine.


     

    And that’s why this now feels like arguing over the colour of orange juice.

    You post an article. Do you even read your stuff you are sending links to? Your highlighted text is what the FT reporter wrote. The actual quote from Putin was, subject to translation:

     “We will never allow Ukraine to become a stronghold of aggressive actions against our country,” he said.

  2. 4 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

    You really need to keep up with events - Boris went some time ago. Again, you can't answer straight question.

    Whilst your alleged donation to the Boy Scout movement is laudable, are you still in the Boy Scouts?

    Dude, do you carefully read anything? I used to collect for the Salvation Army and the Red Cross when I was in the boy scouts and cubs before that. I continued to support the Salvation Army for many decades now in my working life. I do not donate to the boy scouts unless I see them holding a fund raising event.

    You ask straight questions get straight answers if you don't like it that's your problem.

  3. On 15/10/2022 at 14:30, Mungler said:

    No, I mean the unrelenting Putin apologists on here.who cannot find a single criticism to make of Putin (which is rather odd on any measure).

     

     

    You asked for a criticism of Putin before and I gave you one, didn't fit your narrative and they you just wash and repeat.

    If I had to criticize Zelensky is that he didn't take the deal offered back in March and saved a lot of bloodshed.

    They have both made their choices and the conflict may end up splitting the EU project for good.

     

    3 minutes ago, Mungler said:

    And it’s defamatory to suggest these two brain washed shills are in the employ of the Kremlin? 😆😆😆

    Oh well, my £50 is safe.

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    I give 20 dollars a month to the Salvation Army, direct debit from my savings account and I've supported since I was a boy scout. I wouldn't decide to donate to the Salvo's based on some posting on some off topic thread.

  4. 11 hours ago, ordnance said:

     You are making the same mistake Putin made overestimating this militaries equipment and its capabilities, sitting back against a untrained unequipped rabbel in Syria is not the same as taking on a well trained and equipped army in Ukraine. They could even get the basis's right at the start of the war and still haven't, air superiority. 

    Well I'm seeing reports of the Ukrainian Migs being shot down as they try to shoot down the drone attacks and the missile systems are launching their missiles from a pretty far distance.

    Now I've just seen the latest Kherson offensive which was repulsed by artillery was then hit with the Russian airforce in retreat.

  5. 10 hours ago, ordnance said:

     You are making the same mistake Putin made overestimating this militaries equipment and its capabilities, sitting back against a untrained unequipped rabbel in Syria is not the same as taking on a well trained and equipped army in Ukraine. They could even get the basis's right at the start of the war and still haven't, air superiority. 

    I read this morning that during the negotiations as a sign of good faith that Zelensky would agree to conditions and the UA pull out of the Donbass, the Russian's pulled out of Kiev. However that didn't got to plan, so Russian's withdrew and have started the grind to push the UA out of the Donbass. 

  6. On 15/10/2022 at 19:20, Gordon R said:

    You raised that aspect and now you don't know. I asked you to support your bizarre assertion, but you can't back it up. I expect an evasive reply, which has become your norm.

    "You got to give the Russian's credit. They are allowing civilian who wants to get out of the fighting zone to get a russian passport and move east. The UK on the other hand doesn't give them a passport and sends them to Rwanda hoping that solves the problem."

    "Them" being people fleeing a war zone. Any war zone such as Syria, Libya or any other conflicted place that the UK government stuck its nose in or "invaded". If Libya wasn't such a basket case you wouldn't have people fleeing the Sudan conflicts to make it through to boat smugglers in Libya but hey, the UK helped get rid of Ghaddafi.

     

    I said that Russians are offering passports to people in the Donbass. I then said that the UK government doesn't give refugees passports but is sending them to Rwanda. You then jumped the topic and started to distinguish between your so called financial refugees and Ukrainians which maybe refugees or economic refugees arriving in the UK. You then ask me to state how many Ukrainian refugees have be relocated in Rwanda which you said will never happen. However I find that Boris is already considering moving the Ukrainians to Rwanda to which you ask me to provide numbers, sorry you can do your own research on that one.

    You can accept the following or not,

    the UK is not going to be handing out UK passports to refugees like the Russians are for the people of the Donbass.

    the UK is sending war refugees to Rwanda rather than given them UK passports.

    Refugees get stopped all the time at borders and if you open up their bags you will be surprised what you see.

    Former Ukrainian MP's wife tries to flee country with 28 million dollars, 1.3 million euros in cash (msn.com)

     

     

     

     

  7. 48 minutes ago, Dave-G said:

    Re: Macron abstains from nuke response.

    Macron's been trying for an European army for quite some time, now might be his time to strike as it were. IF France does a NATO breakaway this could potentially gather pace as an alliance splitter - especially if it resumes gas flow into France and best buddies Germany - then other European countries again.

    Hmm... I might be wong but that leaves UK as the only other nuclear state in Europe? Just thinking out loud in case anyone thinks otherwise.

    I think you are right. Macron has been pushing for an EU army for some time. That would be very interesting if the EU has a proxy war without the USA in eastern europe. Zelensky needs US$5B a month just to keep his country functioning. That is a huge hole I"m not sure the citizens of the EU would be saying why are we paying for that.

  8. 51 minutes ago, Jim Neal said:

    233 days, 150 pages and circa 3,700 posts later......What has this topic achieved?   🙄

     

    Fascinating fact: For every 1 post made in this topic there have been 24 lives lost in this war.

    I remain the master statistician.

     

    Well I certainly learned than Putin looks like Dobby and Xi looks like Winnie the Pooh.

    I also learned that Zelensky is outlasting all of his western supporters in 8 months, its almost like a curse.

    Putin has outlasted all of the Western Leaders in 22 years.

  9. 5 hours ago, Mungler said:


    So are you saying that it is on the cards that NATO wants to attack Russia (and bring about the end of the world)?

    You’re nuts.

    And as for that Reuters article - a single missile, no suggestion who fired it, where it came from, what the intended target was or to eliminate that it was a stray from the war with Ukraine, or one of their own / a false flag. Absolute nothing bit of journalism.

    Yep MAD destruction is, always has been and remains on the table but that doesn’t cater for a preemptive strike. Indeed we don’t even need to talk about it.

     

    That’s encouraging.

    I wonder if a way out for him has been found.

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    You have a short memory, the ukrainian helicopters flew over the border and destroyed a fuel depot and there have been other missiles fired. 

    4 hours ago, treetree said:

    By shills do you mean some of the most knowledgable experts in geopolitics and international affairs? This conflict was predicted a long time back. There were so many warnings, which the USA chose to ignore.

    This in no way condones the invasion, which was a despicable act.

    Don't go labelling others as bonkers just because of your lazy ignorance of events.

    So lazy, can't even read a link to a declaration of war or the American invasion of Panama.

  10. 53 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

    Just remind me how many Ukrainians have been sent to Rwanda.

    Who knows, the government is always quiet when they relocate refugees to other countries to avoid political fallout from ther supporters. You asked for an answer, the UK government is thinking about it, whereas the Russian government is offering them passports. 

     

  11. 44 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

    Did ukraine invade russia?

    The world can see that russia is the aggressor and invaded Ukraine, it was russia that declared war on ukraine.

    Russia get credit for nothing except the killing of civilians in ukraine.

    Are you paid in roubles?

    Initially no. But now that the Donbass is part of the Russian federation, they have time to withdraw.

    I am not paid in roubles.

    2 minutes ago, Stonepark said:

    There was peace in the Balkans and then the USA\West supported\launched\directed a coup against the democratically elected Government of Ukraine because they were naturally aligning with Russia.

    The illegal Ukranian government formed after the coup then decided to attack the areas which did not agree with the coup and said they would look after themselves.

    There has been a war ongoing from that moment in 2014 when the coup took place and a minority were in charge and decided to try to impose there will on everyone else.

    If you want peace you have to let people decide their own countries direction by themselves and not dump £Billions in funding and support to minority groups who you support because they vote in a direction you want rather than the direction that the majority of the voting public want.

    Russia's reactions are a natural consequence of the previous actions by Ukraine and the West.

    Peace now will come the hard way for many but it will come as Ukraine continues to collapse both militarily, economically and socially as the war continues.

    The brutal truth is too hard for some posters. I can take it.

  12. 15 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

    What have financial refugees coming to the UK got to deal with Ukraine? No Ukrainian is being sent to Rwanda.

    I don't know if you are one of Vlad's pals, a troll or not the full shilling. There is no fourth option.

    They are all financial refugees these days? Last time I checked before Brexit it looked like a lot were coming out of Syria. A war which the UK was help to other throw Assad, probably the most moderate arab country when it comes to Christians.

     

    42 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

    Did ukraine invade russia?

    The world can see that russia is the aggressor and invaded Ukraine, it was russia that declared war on ukraine.

    Russia get credit for nothing except the killing of civilians in ukraine.

    Are you paid in roubles?

    Russia did not make a declaration of war. It won't matter how many times I post what a declaration of war is nobody reads it because ignorance is bliss.

  13. 59 minutes ago, Mungler said:


    Can’t deal with the simple proposition of putting the troops and tanks in reverse and a politically negotiated solution and so we get more whataboutery and ‘Ooooh no, look over there, what about what’s happening over there, not here’. 

    And that’s where we are.

    What a mess. The master strategist didn’t plan on Ukraine coming together behind a charismatic leader and making a ‘super power’ look ridiculous. 

    Yes the USA with 10X the military in Kabul ran to the airport and left everything behind. How's that working out for the US collaborators, being rounded up and executed.  Lucky it would never happen in Ukraine, oh wait

     

    Ukrainian hit squads are killing Russian occupiers and collaborators - The Washington Post

     

  14. Walsh said there was only one aggressor. What's next every nefarious act in the world can be blamed on Russia's specially military operation?

    You got to give the Russian's credit. They are allowing civilian who wants to get out of the fighting zone to get a russian passport and move east. The UK on the other hand doesn't give them a passport and sends them to Rwanda hoping that solves the problem.

  15. 52 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

    That's not how it works. You can't start a fight, then complain the person you launched an unprovoked attacked on is harder than you thought. 

    So you are saying the Ukrainian's blew up the pipeline and the crimean bridge? I heard it was special ops of another country. Okay then. If its the Ukrainians fair enough the pipe line was half owned by the Germans. They didn't need it anyway. But if its another EU country, I guess they won't mind their infrastructure being blown up with the general plausible deniability.

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