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4 minutes ago, ordnance said:
You couldn't make it up, Putin accusing Ukraine of terrorism 😂
If any middle eastern country that the UK has deployed troops into had undercover ops doing the same thing they go out of their way to downplay it as to remain culturally sensitive.
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1 hour ago, 12gauge82 said:
NK might not invade, but they may well start slinging missiles at other countries and China might very well delay a move on Taiwan watching what happened to Russia, so my fist point remains.
I think I get your point with Putin, our governments in the west have certainly done questionable things to, that have been attempted to be brushed under the carpet. Blair and bushes illegal war on Iraq and the subsequent rise of Isis ect is the first that springs to my mind. The thing is that was then and this is now, just as Blair should stand for war crimes (imo), Putin is every bit as bad, if not worse.
Trump said the US created ISIS. People coughed in disbelief. They certainly armed them by handing out weapons to the free Syria army who just passed them on or just changed sides when ISIS controlled the oil fields and was selling cheap oil via truck convoys to Turkey to fund their war. It was the Russians, particularly putin and lavrov who pointed out the hypocrisy of Turkey, a US ally and NATO member via the satellite photos at the UN.
To simply say, that was then, this is now throw away line. ISIS is still out there just like Shamima Begum .
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7 minutes ago, welsh1 said:
Did trump get removed at the next elections? or did i miss democracy in action?The people voted him in they also voted him out.
Tell me has putin had any sort of investigation launched against him by the russian parliment (federal assembly)?
Could trump or any of the western leaders get away with this?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/05/vladimir-putin-passes-law-that-may-keep-him-in-office-until-2036I'm not a guru on political law, however I do know that Teddy changed the law in the USA so they could only stay two terms. Before that you could be President for life if they kept voting you in. I couldn't give a poop if they stay 10 terms if people want that person to run the country. On a side note Xi is thinking the same way.
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1 hour ago, welsh1 said:
Strangely i didn't see anyone in the west sending their detractors to jail or making sure they had "accidents". I haven't seen anyone in the west make laws to change old ones ensuring you can stay as the leader for as long as you want.
Putin has been in control for 22 years because he is a tyrant ruling by fear and violence, the west can boot out their leaders at elections, you know those democratic things we have every now and then, not like putins where the result could be announced before the elections have begun.I just watched Donald Trump trying to run a country and trying to avoid a jail term for four years after to attempts to impeach him. Last time I checked Dmitry took over for a while. Did you miss those years?
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10 hours ago, ditchman said:
i think we are going to wake up one morning soon....with the headlines "Putin arrested ..exercuted"
what comes after is what we should be worrying about.......
if its the russian mafia we will be fine as they like to trade and make money
if its hardliners from the 60's and 70's ....we need to worry
if it is some humanitarian locked up in prison...he will be released and die shortly after...
I heard the same rubbish when I was in Venezuela with Chavez. The only people changing out their regimes are the west. One by one they are getting booted out. Yet Putin has been in control for 22 years.
The west couldn't even boot out their corrupt health bureaucrats who literally sent their economies bankrupt.
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1 hour ago, Mungler said:
Putin needs that bridge to supply troops (now cut off) and it’s a favourite thing of his. If they were going to false flag we’d get the full on baby food factory treatment.
Be interesting to see how Russian media deal with this; either ‘how embarrassing, how did that happen and who do we blame?’ [ie criticism of Putin posed as questions] or ‘let’s get nuking’.
How would you know , Russia news is censored in the West.
If the Russians smash every bridge across the dniper then that cuts the country in half. Will certainly slow down the repair off the tanks in Poland.
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3 hours ago, henry d said:
I'm sure that it takes time to find the evidence of what caused the damage, its not like we can call up CSI Baltic and find out in an hour
Well what the hell are the navy intelligence for? The Danes would know every ship that passed there. If we are talking about subs we have narrowed the field.
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So multi billion pipelines get blown up in Europe's backyard and nobody still knows who or why. How strange.
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6 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:
And why won't Russia run out of money and equipment? So far russia appears to be fairing alot worse than the west in that department at the moment.
It's entirely possible. Russia is now the most sanctioned country in the world after the 8th round. The big difference with the countries putting on the sanctions is it has the vast natural resource base and large manufacturing base.
How many more sanctions can Ursula declare before you lose count?
How many before you say what was the purpose again?
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21 hours ago, Mungler said:
McHugh has posted about how the Yanks looked at using them 50 years ago - fascinating. They didn't though did the, and presumably because they knew that once they opened that Pandora's box....
If you ever studied the terrain of the Khe Sanh battle you would know that the hills would have made the effectiveness of a low yield nuclear blast not very effective, which is what they said in the declassified documents.
You seem to hate Russia with a passion. Have you ever been to Russia?
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6 minutes ago, Gordon R said:
There must be an award somewhere for a post that contains no sense whatsoever.
Well wars cost money, the question is who has enough money. America is coming off a 20 year war on terror at a cost of $6.6 Trillion, their economy is tanking and their leader's legs are wobbling.
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3 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:
And why on earth should he?
Should we have negotiated with the nazis?
Who the hell is Putin to invade a free country and then when the people fight to be free, expect them to negotiate, that's bullying in anyone's book, Ukraine has clearly decided not to be bullied and who is anyone to tell them they're wrong?
Because one day people who are supporting him are going to run out of money or support to give him that money. At some point they will walk away or ask him to negotiate. As he has ruled out the latter then the former applies. As the various leaders are all tanking in the polls or have been given the boot, those filling their shoes may not be full of the bravado of support.
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So lets just assume that Mungler's quotations are wrong.
Russian's reserves overwhelm the four regions and the UA is pushed back. Then what?
NATO has already pumped US$60B+ into a country in only 8 months that is neither a part off and the stand off could be for years Thats about $US7B per month. Lets see how keen NATO is to support this for a few years because Zelensky isn't going to negotiate.
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Just another day hunting. No time for horse riding.
So Putin stands for hunting with Russian made rifles and wears a Christian cross.
Obviously insane.
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34 minutes ago, Gordon R said:
In a thread containing varied opinion, this total drivel gets dropped in. Absolute bottom of the barrel.
Well Mungler mentions lord Haw Haw and he was executed.
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Russia has enough FOAB to drop with a 300m kill zone. They can bring in their strategic bombers and wipe out huge sections if they need to.
With respect to Whataboutery from Mungler, Westmoreland was going to use tactical nukes in Khe Sanh but in the end just with B72 dropping within 500m of the base because of McNamara.
Nine days before the Tet Offensive broke out, the PAVN opened the battle of Khe Sanh and attacked the US forces just south of the DMZ. Declassified documents show that in response, Westmoreland considered using nuclear weapons. In 1970, the Office of Air Force History published a then "top secret", but now declassified, 106-page report, titled The Air Force in Southeast Asia: Toward a Bombing Halt, 1968. Journalist Richard Ehrlich writes that according to the report, "in late January, General Westmoreland had warned that if the situation near the DMZ and at Khe Sanh worsened drastically, nuclear or chemical weapons might have to be used." The report continues to state, "this prompted Air Force chief of staff, General John McConnell, to press, although unsuccessfully, for JCS (Joint Chiefs of Staff) authority to request Pacific Command to prepare a plan for using low-yield nuclear weapons to prevent a catastrophic loss of the U.S. Marine base."[70]
Nevertheless, ultimately the nuclear option was discounted by military planners. A secret memorandum reported by US Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara, sent to US President Lyndon B. Johnson on 19 February 1968, was declassified in 2005. It reveals that the nuclear option was discounted because of terrain considerations that were unique to South Vietnam, which would have reduced the effectiveness of tactical nuclear weapons. McNamara wrote: "because of terrain and other conditions peculiar to our operations in South Vietnam, it is inconceivable that the use of nuclear weapons would be recommended there against either Viet Cong or North Vietnamese forces". McNamara's thinking may have also been affected by his aide David Morrisroe, whose brother Michael Morrisroe was serving at the base.[71]
Battle of Khe Sanh - Wikipedia
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11 hours ago, Mungler said:
McHughCB has it and has spent today (like everyday) listening to nothing other than Kremlin ‘news’ interspersed with some screeching peoples party ‘news’ from North Korea.
You will have to pick it up on your way home together with the topless photo of Vlad riding a horse, but you’ll probably have to wrestle him for it.
No moobs is okay with me.
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29 minutes ago, Mungler said:
But where does it say that I or anyone need have a rational debate with someone who is demonstrably irrational.
You can fill the space with as many words and videos from the obscure corners of the internet as you like, but the red line is that if you can't or won't see Putin as having put a foot wrong in any of this mess, then I get to stop listening and will resume laughing and pointing.
People often say that they have a balanced view just to try and add credibility or establish a reasonable approach, but often that is window dressing for extreme and unbalanced views. We've been picking at that scab for a hundred plus pages and it came off last night - seriously, how do you begin to debate or discuss any aspect of this with anyone who just can't find any criticism to make of Putin?
Fill you boots from here on in, as you say no one is listening. I am happy in the knowledge that the list of names in my echo chamber is longer and filled with less nutters than yours 😆
In the Soviet days people fled Russia to seek asylum from persecution. These days people like Snowdon flee the USA and get asylum in Russia.
How times have changed.
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Seen it all before. From Ferguson, Fauci and our own Sutton. Throw in some Al Gore with Greta and I don't like the smell of what they are selling. Blair and Howard following Bush like sycophants costing their economies trillions for no value to their citizens that elected them.
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As yes, those British condemned to death as foreign mercs by the Ukrainians magically were released after the Russians stepped in for a prisoner swap after a few months. Certainly doing better than the foreign enemy combatants in Gitmo.
But somehow nobody wants Shamima Begum back. Seems pretty racist to me.
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Speaking of brutal NATO torture how is Gitmo these days.
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Ian Brady and Putin?
Whataboutery right there.
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I don't want you to take anything from me. You make up you own mind, abuse whoever you like. Makes no difference to me. I'm all for free speech.
Putin announces 'military operation' in Ukraine.
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So who was driving the truck and did they know what they were carrying?