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19 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:
So it's an invasion! not a special military operation.
Special military operation could involve many actions, including infringing air space, cyber attacks, assassinations, disruption of water supplies etc.
Have a read of the USA military operations which include invasion of panama. It's quite clear who has the ability to use force and who can declare war.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Panama
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There is no doubt that the Russians invaded Ukraine. Any other questions?
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1 hour ago, welsh1 said:
You mean the war, let's not try to hide the fact that Russia declared war on Ukraine and invaded killing innocent Ukrainians.And continues to be the aggressor by remaining illegally in Ukraine.
As I said if it walks like a duck,............
I get that you don't agree with the actions but you asked about the content of the documentary.
Maybe you should watch it, it is very interesting.
4 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:"Special military operation" Really?
What exactly do you believe the Russians special military operation objectives are?
They were laid out in simple terms by Putin.
Not all objectives are achieved and there can always be scope creep.
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4 hours ago, welsh1 said:
I am asking if this shows the invasion of ukraine against international law by russia, by crossing ukraines border and commiting an act of war on them and killing thier people?
So, does it show the act of war commited by russia against ukraine?
We all agree that russia invaded ukraine in an act of war and has been murdering it's population don't we?
Oh and there was no "special military mission" it was an act of war.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.........................................The documentary was made in 2016.
The special military operation started in 2022 so once again the answer is obviously no.
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5 minutes ago, Mungler said:
That is a very weak reply, if a reply at all and we can all see it.If you watch the documentary Ukraine on fire the nationalists said the student protest was a weak as any lgbtqi protest so they rocked up with the muscles and weapons and targeted the security forces and that's when it went ugly resulting in murder.
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57 minutes ago, welsh1 said:
Does the video show russia crossing an international border illegally into another country and attacking it ,killing its people and destroying its infrastructure?
Does it show the people of ukraine that the illegal russian army have killed and continue to kill?This was made before the special military operation right back to the days of Stephan bandera.
Warning, it has some pretty graphic pictures of what the nationalists were doing to the Jews during WW2
31 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:As I'm sure you are aware, Oliver Stone is/has been very close to Putin and has made a (Putin approved) documentary 4 hours long about him. Reviews suggest that the "Ukraine on fire" presented a very 'pro Kremlin' view. Stone is generally considered a Putin 'apologist'. Google brings up masses of reviews.
However Stone has been (somewhat) critical of the Feb 2022 invasion. https://deadline.com/2022/03/oliver-stone-criticizes-putin-ukraine-1234973037/
Yes and Yes
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Oliver Stone made this documentary Ukraine on Fire a while back. Shows some of the major players leading up to where we are now.
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That region has been conquered by various regimes for years followed by peace. If your history starts in March 2022 like Mungler then I understand how you feel. If your history starts a decade earlier then you might understand how the people who live there may have a different view.
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Mussolini got the trains to run on time.
It's getting weird now. Luke Skywalker has been contacted.
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You can't see it? Look harder.
I'll give you a hint how's things in Crimea for last 8 years or Chechnya for last 10 years? Rebuilt, huge infrastructure investments and peace. Compare that to Kabul where NATO was after 20 years.
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2 hours ago, Dave-G said:
FSB admitted blowing up their own bridge? I thought FSB was Russia Security AKA KGB
According to MSM they are blowing and shelling everything everywhere as false flag operations.
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2 minutes ago, Dave-G said:
Turning the other cheek while Russia Bombs Ukraine isn't working for them.
Time is coming for some payback, this "I can send missiles and bombs at you but you must not bomb me" is all about the rest of the world not wanting to risk Armageddon but it just ain't right to not retaliate IMO. A few payback missiles hitting Russia would send a much bigger reason to stop the invasion IMO. As far as I'm aware - war is a two way street.
Having said that we're no better: the west do it to others but if anyone gives an odd bit of payback they're called terrorists.
Whoa there, we got posters who talk in apples and oranges if you make that comparison.
It's okay when we do it. 600,000 dead in Iraq and 20 years of war and a few trillion later. The coalition will show Saddam, even if he's been dead for a decade.
5 minutes ago, Dave-G said:Turning the other cheek while Russia Bombs Ukraine isn't working for them.
Time is coming for some payback, this "I can send missiles and bombs at you but you must not bomb me" is all about the rest of the world not wanting to risk Armageddon but it just ain't right to not retaliate IMO. A few payback missiles hitting Russia would send a much bigger reason to stop the invasion IMO. As far as I'm aware - war is a two way street.
Having said that we're no better: the west do it to others but if anyone gives an odd bit of payback they're called terrorists.
The Russians sent so many missiles they overwhelmed the air defence systems. Lucky them BBC and CNN retired generals and admirals said Russia is almost out of ammo and that was in May.
The only guy talking sense is Trump for negotiating peace. Something Zelensky and Boris threw on the bin in March.
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1 hour ago, oowee said:
Now is the time to set out to Putin what the West will do in response to continuing aggression and a nuclear strike. The condemnation yesterday is reminiscent of the condemnation of chemical attacks in Syria. All it does is numb the Russian hearing and allow continued and incremental degradation of civilians and civilian targets.
Following yesterdays largely random strikes across Ukraine at least it looks like some of the more reluctant partners may at last come up with the long promised support.
Painful as it may be, as we move towards the end game, the West needs to start to set the red lines and the response that will be initiated if they are crossed. The time has come for confrontation.
The head quarters of the FSB got hit after they claimed responsibility for blowing up the Crimea bridge.
All the HPGPS missiles seem to have hit various bridges, substations, powerstations, bridges, railways.
If it is random they seem to have hit everything NATO would hit first.
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Like what? Zelensky is asking the west for a pre-emptive nuclear strike in Russia? Who putting up the nukes?
Slava cocanium!
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16 hours ago, Rim Fire said:
That takes me back to when i used run hounds i had 4 couple and my mate had 5 couple we used to have a gun pack shot all over Wales and into England nice video well done thanks for posting
I got hundreds of hound hunts on my channel, nothing like hearing the pack at full voice coming towards you.
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News to me.
10 hours ago, Mungler said:What on Earth are you babbling on about?
Northern Ireland?
What’s that got to do with the price of fish?
More obfuscation and irrelevant whataboutery.
Bonkers 😆😆😆
Funding Russia’s invasion and slaughter of the Ukrainian general population was the bridge too far.Yes well, EU is still funding the war machine aren't they.
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22 minutes ago, ordnance said:
He is a idiot, all his talking to North Korea did was put the great leader on the world stage give him the publicity he craves and he got nothing in return.
You think 60+ years of militarisation can be over come in a couple of personal meetings? It was a start.
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31 minutes ago, Rewulf said:
Agreed, however , I dont believe anyone has ever seriously stated that Russia runs a democratic, free system of government.
The closest anyone has come , is to say that western governmental systems are hardly bastions of squeaky clean transparency.
That said , I know where Id rather live, and it aint Russia, or Ukraine.If you lived in Bibirevo district in Moscow or the Renton in Dunbartonshire I'm sure you'd find they are pretty much the same excluding the language and the fish suppers. Both bog awful on a Friday night.
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35 minutes ago, welsh1 said:
The British Army stood between waring political and religious factions stopping each from commiting more atrocities than they managed.
When you pased through Londonderry there were checkpoints because it was a hot bed of terrorist activity, and checkpoints disrupted their movment of men ,arms and explosives.I have several good mates who were at a checkpoint when a car bomb went off, and more who were responsible for rebuilding the checkpoint.
Having spent time on the boat section in Londonderry i am aware of who was about back in the days of the troubles and our intel was very very good.
The Army kept you safer than you will ever be aware of by vehicle check points, and the minor inconvienience of being stopped aided your safety.I have no doubt. But in the end my safety on the years since have been based on political solutions following the military ones.
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5 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:
Unlike Putin, European politicians are subject to genuine elections.
Lets not confuse a weak opposition to electoral process. Gary Kasparov who was in opposition is a complete nutcase.
Here is addressing a crowd while a flying dildo interrupts him.
This never happens at a Putin press conference.
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1 hour ago, JohnfromUK said:
No one suggested Europe was forced into it. Europe did it for a variety of reasons of mainly best value and perceived 'greenness'. Arguably a 'trap was set, and Europe walked into it'.
Russia profited economically AND gained a very powerful economic weapon.
For Europe it will be shown to have been a hugely expensive and damaging 'green wise' in the long run, but there are the benefits of hindsight.
Europe and the Greta loving village idiots who have no idea of where their food or energy comes from setting the agenda for equally stupid career politicians who only worry about how many of these idiots will vote for them at the next election.
The EU has decided to sanction Russia. If the EU had not sanctioned Russia, there would be probably zero problems with energy or food coming from Russia. They will sell to anybody. The only people to force the 8th round of sanctions is that non elected EU leader Ursula.
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28 minutes ago, ditchman said:
think Belarus is on a sticky wicket anyway....there will be alot of unrest if things get phyisical...and maybe Lukashenko will go under the cosh by his own people.........
before anyone from Australia shouts rubbish..this is my own view..which i have a right to air
That's alright. Remember the Warsaw pact dissolved but NATO carried on. Well as NATO refuses to dissolve and appears to be getting bigger, then maybe it shouldn't choke if the Warsaw Pact gets the gang back together.
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1 hour ago, Mungler said:
And Russia has spent 8 years in the background trying to break up European cohesion and so it thought, bunging Ukrainian higher ups who were supposed to welcome the Russian troops in.But, the question is not why wait 8 years, but why at all?
On the subject of why we have been given half a dozen varying reasons by the Kremlin, none making any sense and none a national threat - Cocaine, gangsters, Nazis, nato : all demonstrably nonsense.
By a process of elimination (coupled with the ‘bunging’ and greasing that the Kremlin had thought had taken place) it has to be land grab because that is all that’s left that makes a modicum of sense.
Next time theirs a civil war on the borders of NI, be sure to send a letter to Truss saying we don't need the army to protect the borders let them sort it out themselves. I certainly didn't like the army checking my car every time I passed through Derry.
28 minutes ago, old'un said:If Belarus gets dragged into this war I don't think any of that will matter, Poland will have two country's on its boarders at war, there's now a possibility NATO will move more troops closer to the boarder with Poland and Belarus and we all know what that means if it kicks off, WW3.
Which is exactly what the USA wants. They will defend Ukraine down to the last Ukrainian. Old Uncle Joe sleep walking into WW3. Thankgod it wasn't Trump, the first US President to step foot in North Korea, unlike old nobel peace prize smooth talking Obama.
I'm sure there's enough lefties here who think Trump was an idiot, but here is a raft of presidents before him who hid behind bullet proof glass. Only one of them knew how to get dialogue happening and yet the best London could do was make a baby blimp of him.
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2 hours ago, old'un said:
This guy is ruthless, he’s been given a free hand by Putin to get the job done, I think we will see the same tactics he used in Syria where he bombed civilian areas and reduced them to rubble, leaving little for the resistance to hide and fight from.
This guy will not be wanting to send soldiers back to Putin in body bags, he will hold his troops back and bomb the hell out of the Ukrainians first.
Russia also ended the 4 year siege of Aleppo from ISIS or Al Nusra. The same Al Nusra that was supported by the USA, Turkey, UK and France.
When the Russians came, they cutoff their NGO supplies and gave them one week to lay down their arms and get out on the buses. Those that were left were terminated. 4 years and it was over in months.
Battle of Aleppo (2012–2016) - Wikipedia
Putin announces 'military operation' in Ukraine.
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I never called it a war. Nor did Russia declare an act of war.
Did you bother to read the panama invasion link? There is a difference between the state declaring war and the executive ordering a military intervention. Go and read the legality in the link to the US panama invasion.