dazza Posted July 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Whats the problem? Isn't he in paradise with 72 virgins now? Is he ****! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 GOOD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpw99 Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 New species on the hit list :- Terroristis Lunaticia Dark in colour and with a large mound on it's back. Will often do a runner but can be brought down, though it usually takes 5 shots Jim :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernyha Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 If he was a bomber or terrorist then I am as pleased as the next person that he is dead. I am afraid that I can't get my head around the fact that an armed man in civvies (even though it turns out he was a plain clothes policeman) chasing after someone, can act as judge,jury and executioner. If you were being chased by a gunman would you try and escape or just stand and wait to be shot. Being chased by an armed policeman or even a soldier in their uniforms is a different matter and if you don't stop then you risk the consequences. Sitting in a field today wearing cammo. clothing and holding a semi-auto shotgun in my hands made me wonder, if in the present atmosphere, what would be my fate if a member of the public reported an armed terrorist in the field near to their home. Just something to think about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris lewis Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Two quotes are an having trouble with from Craws this one You cant treat this news article as gospel because we don't know if the guy was a terrorist or even if this event took place. It wouldn't be the first time that a trigger happy policeman has gunned down someone for no reason; Table leg This guy had the table leg in a bag holding it like a sawn off and came out of the shops shouting Im going to kill you ! then lifted the bag/table leg. If thats not asking for it then what is and the second is this quote This isn't a banana republic that we a residing in. I thought this was the British Isles where everyone is entitled to a fair trial. By gunning people down in the street then aren't we sinking to the level of the terrorist? We are now dealing with completly differnt kind off terorist . one that with blow thenselfs up at the hint of trouble running to the nearest group of people , BANG . This kind of person wants to be a marta , some sick twisted veiw on after life. If he did have a belt on with wires the cops arent going to stop him and say , I say old boy do you mind filling this form in and letting us have a looksee at that belt . They were running for a reason. They would have shoot him for no reason . I glad we have cops at last that have the balls to blast the ****er if good reason . :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Craws Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 This guy had the table leg in a bag holding it like a sawn off and came out of the shops shouting Im going to kill you ! then lifted the bag/table leg. If thats not asking for it then what is I dont know the particulars of this case, infact I dont know anything about it. Maybe I shouldnt have used this as the example. They were running for a reason. They would have shoot him for no reason . I glad we have cops at last that have the balls to blast the ****er if good reason . I cant say much more than what ernyha has just said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Good LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete k Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 nobody runs faster than mr 9mm :( :thumbs: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilishdave Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Mr 220 swift? Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 i like to think im a fairly tolerant bloke,most of my work is for people of different ethnic origins than mine.i have been threatened with an assortment of cutlery,been spat in the face,had dogs tearing at their chains to get at me and it all blows over. what really will tear this country apart is the fact that there are four well photographed people still at large,being hidden by who ? muslims communities will feel a backlash.it will be totally and utterly wrong but it will happen. some of my work takes me to croydons largest mosque and i have never been met with anything but kindness. someone said to me today not all muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are muslims.that is a crock of ****. gentlemen,we live in interesting times.i hope that we,our children and theirs live in less interesting ones. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 It would appear that there is a strong possibility that these weren’t police officers, but secret service personnel. Could well be SAS. :( G.M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernyha Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 :< It would appear that I was right in saying that I was concerned about a police officer with a gun having the power to be judge,jury and executioner. Have just watched the news where the police are now saying that the man who was shot down while running from a plain clothes police officer brandishing a gun, was indeed innocent of having any connection with the terrorists. There will be an enquiry of course. :< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 gentlemen,we live in interesting times.i hope that we,our children and theirs live in less interesting ones. lets hope our children and theres live . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Craws Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 (edited) We are now satisfied that he was not connected with the incidents of Thursday 21st July 2005. BBC news - Shot man not connected 'Too late' springs to mind. They should have been satisfied that he was connected with the incidents before shooting the guy 5 times dead. They now say that if the police officer who shot him is found guilty then others will refuse to carry guns at all - which is the standard protest when incidents like these occur. Edited July 23, 2005 by The_Craws Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilishdave Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 Unfortunately you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette. If the guy did have plastics strapped to him the shooter would have been declared a Hero for averting mass murder. There is clearly more to this than meats the eye. Our officers don’t go around shooting people at random. Having patrolled British streets with a team of armed men in the past and having had a few close calls it is not easy to make the call on the ground. Hindsight is 20/20. In my opinion we will see more policing of this style in light of the suicide bombings and if this the only way to avert mass murder then so be it Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernyha Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 So what are you saying then Dave, this is the civilian version of "Friendly Fire" so it makes the odd killing of an innocent person O.K.? :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr Pieman Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 Ernya, it doesn't make it ok, it makes it an honest mistake when people's nerves are on edge and a split second decision had to be made. Killing 50 + innocent people on the other hand is neither an accident nor a mistake :< Let's turn it around to defend the police. Its the terrorist's fault the guy got shot - if they hadnt carried out the bombings the Police would never have adopted a 'shoot to kill' policy in the first place. Still, must make you feel real good to be able to tell us all 'you told us so'. PP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 he ran,now he is dead.london is one of the safest cities in europe,people chasing others with guns drawn only happens in films.only the guilty run. he wasnt on a film set. ern,what should the officer have done ? politely asked for him to stand still,given up the chase ? there is no way that officer can be judged,damned if he did and damned if he didnt.had he a detonator or concealed fire arm the standard rules of reading the "you have the right" would look plain stupid. put it this way,if any one of us had been on that tube,would we be running off to complain that the marksmen were heavy handed ? if you answer yes,give your guns in now,revoke your licences and kiss blairs butt. its a new kind of war,being fought on our doorsteps. if we cant allow police and special forces the right to make snap decisions then why arm them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilishdave Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 So what are you saying then Dave, this is the civilian version of "Friendly Fire" so it makes the odd killing of an innocent person O.K.? :( No it is never ok to kill an innocent man but the person pulling the trigger is not always guilty either. It will all come out in the wash though. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernyha Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 Still, must make you feel real good to be able to tell us all 'you told us so'. PP It doesn't make me feel anything of the sort Pieman, I was giving my opinion on someone being given the power to shoot 5 bullets into a person when they are lying on the ground going no where. You mentioned before that your wife uses London Transport in her line of work and I can understand your feelings against scum who plant bombs on trains and buses killing innocent people, they are the same feelings as mine actually but two wrongs have never made a right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete k Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 the police officer was completley right to shot him dead , this person had something to do with terrorist activitys or they would not be following him with a team of 20 plus people , i this person detonated something on the train they alot of people would be complaining and pointing the finger at the police/security services and goverment for letting it happen , i for one fully support the police and other services in there work as should every-one in this country . pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 This “Innocent” man had just visited a house that was under surveillance by the security forces. He was followed into the tube and told to stop, but instead of stopping he ran. He then vaulted the ticket stiles and ran onto a train. What should any police officer do in these circumstances? Ask the man to accompany them to the nearest police station??? What if he was carrying explosives, do you try and undo his coat and remove them whilst asking him (nicely) not to detonate the bomb?:( Sorry but this man brought this upon himself by not complying with a demand to stop. And I am still not sure that he is as innocent as we all may think. G.M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernyha Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 This “Innocent” man had just visited a house that was under surveillance by the security forces. I bet that statement will make the paper boy and the milkman of that area feel good tonight then. Also the eye witnesses that I heard on the news reports all said that they heard no orders to the man to stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 The thing is Ern all the witnesses seem to be people who were actually ON the train and would therefore not have been in a position to hear any earlier shouts to stop. As for the paper boy and the milkman………well you are just being silly. :( G.M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilishdave Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 The way I see it they had cause to suspect he was involved in some way with an imminent bombing. The police had no choice but neutralise him and that does not involve an extended dialogue. It remains to be seen whether this guy is truly innocent. Ok he did not have a bomb strapped to him this not a sign of innocence but a sign of not having bomb strapped to himself. His suspected comrades have chosen the suicide bomb as their modus operandi therefore they are the ones to blame for the police tactics. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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