Safety catch issues, CZ 452 Style

[JA3llis]

a standard cz trigger doesnt have a sear tube fitted so as long as the trigger hasnt been filled down in any way all that is required is a standard or the hardiest spring in the brooks kit that should solve you problems mine was set at 1.6 lbs whe I bought it thats like a hair trigger. The triggers are ok as standard they just get made dangerous by people who dont understand what they ar doing. If your stuck for a standardm 452 spring I have one you can have mate.

[dunganick]

I have had this 2x with my cz 452.

 

On both occasions the trigger was set too light. I do also have the Brookes kit fitted.

 

I now have a much heavier trigger.

 

Its part of the poor safety mech this rifle uses.

 

Do not trust a safety. Without trying to tell you how to shoot, a rifle should only be made dangerous when facing a safe direction. In reality this is easy to forget, i know i do, but its not an excuse.

[mick miller]

I know not to trust a safety but in reality having just bought the gun from a reputable gun shop you don't expect to have the safety act as a trigger! Fortunately the gun was pointing away from any houses or people although in the first instance it was pointing toward the rear of a stable block as I released the catch.

 

I took the gun back today; the verdict was that the previous owner had appeared to have chopped the original spring down and also managed to squeeze the trigger fork (at the top) on re-assembly so the trigger would not swing as it should, the chopped spring did not push the trigger back to the original position either, so if you moved it even a small amount rearward it stuck there, as soon as you released the safety the gun went off.

 

He didn't have an original spring but fitted one close to the original, although the pull now is just over 4lbs (if any of you have an original spring I'd appreciate it and don't mind PayPal'ing the postage plus to cover the cost, please PM me). A 4lb pull is a little on the heavy side but it will do for now.

 

Best part is, when I got home I realised that they'd left my magazine on their work bench , so I had to go to a closer gun shop and buy another. Oh well, sorted now and more importantly, safe!

 

Thanks everyone for your advice and replies.

[Harnser]

Oh ,the combined minds of pigeon watch ,awesome . The shop was still at fault for selling the gun with a dangerously light trigger . Glad you have got it sorted .

Harnser .

[albob]

He didn't have an original spring but fitted one close to the original, although the pull now is just over 4lbs (if any of you have an original spring I'd appreciate it and don't mind PayPal'ing the postage plus to cover the cost, please PM me). A 4lb pull is a little on the heavy side but it will do for now.

 

 

Thanks everyone for your advice and replies.

 

 

the original spring(if no tube is put in)is set at 4lbs pull from new,which at the pull will make your accuracy poor,ie..pulling trigger will make the gun pull of target,so causeing accuracy faults and that is why a lot of cz owners,put a trigger kit in.

i have a spring as part of the trigger kit,which will be less than 4lbs(about 2lbs),so if you do not get fixed up,let me know and i will post one to you,free of charge.

also glad you got the fault sorted.

al

Edited January 2, 2010 by albob

[MC]

I have had this 2x with my cz 452.

 

On both occasions the trigger was set too light. I do also have the Brookes kit fitted.

 

I now have a much heavier trigger.

 

Its part of the poor safety mech this rifle uses.

 

Do not trust a safety. Without trying to tell you how to shoot, a rifle should only be made dangerous when facing a safe direction. In reality this is easy to forget, i know i do, but its not an excuse.

 

 

I am glad someone bought that up, I NEVER use a safety catch on any gun. I do not believe in a safety catch and personally think that it should not be called a SAFETY catch as it makes some people believe that the gun is safe when it is used.

 

The bolt should only EVER be closed as Nick has said when the rifle is pointing in a safe direction.

 

For arguments sake my Anschutz target trigger is set at 13grams but it will pass the harshest of drop tests.

[albob]

Heavy triggers only cause poor accuracy if you dont squeeze properly. If you are snatching triggers is doesent matter what weight it is.

 

i disagree,as a hell of a lot of cz owners have found improved accuracy with the trigger kit fitted,no matter how you squeeze the trigger.(22lr and 17hmr).

had a gunsmith with me and even he agrees on this and he does guns for a living and the 223 was his and even he was looking for improvement at the time of purchasing this gun.

mate had a 223 which was a ****** to pull and my shooting of that at 100yrds was poor,he sorted the trigger out and the accuracy part for me improved 95%..

you really had to pull hard so shot will go off,as squeezing is not enough to set the trigger off,hence the shot is pulled.

al

Edited January 2, 2010 by albob

[MC]

Fister is absolutely spot on,

 

As I have already said my Anschutz Target rifle is set at 13 grams yet my RPA 7.62 target rifle is set at 1.5KG (3.3lbs) because the rules of Target rifle states that it has to be.

 

I do not notice the difference between the two as it is the trigger technique that counts.

[albob]

Fister is absolutely spot on,

 

As I have already said my Anschutz Target rifle is set at 13 grams yet my RPA 7.62 target rifle is set at 1.5KG (3.3lbs) because the rules of Target rifle states that it has to be.

 

 

big difference in being forced to use a heavy trigger.

we are choosing to set ours.

al

Edited January 3, 2010 by albob

[dunganick]

Now nick, you cant pick on the cz safety catch , it is the only one I know that completely locks the firing pin, it can make up for poor adjustment of the trigger by the user. Most safety catches only block the sear so the cz is a good one, even though it is backwards LOL.

 

 

My gripe doesn't lie with its performance when applied but the way it comes off. I've adjusted a few rifle triggers as you have i know, but the cz is the only rifle i have adjusted that has set off the trigger when the trigger is too light by removing the safety. Every other rifle has either dropped the firing pin when you closed the bolt or failed the drop test. I found with my cz that it would not drop the pin as you closed the bolt. Then i applied and removed the safety and it would drop.

 

Perhaps i have a bad copy, i don't know, but i only use my safety if i've loaded and not taken a shot now. Even though the safety operates fine since i added a bit of weight to the pull.

[monkeymagic1969]

I know not to trust a safety but in reality having just bought the gun from a reputable gun shop you don't expect to have the safety act as a trigger! Fortunately the gun was pointing away from any houses or people although in the first instance it was pointing toward the rear of a stable block as I released the catch.

 

I took the gun back today; the verdict was that the previous owner had appeared to have chopped the original spring down and also managed to squeeze the trigger fork (at the top) on re-assembly so the trigger would not swing as it should, the chopped spring did not push the trigger back to the original position either, so if you moved it even a small amount rearward it stuck there, as soon as you released the safety the gun went off.

 

He didn't have an original spring but fitted one close to the original, although the pull now is just over 4lbs (if any of you have an original spring I'd appreciate it and don't mind PayPal'ing the postage plus to cover the cost, please PM me). A 4lb pull is a little on the heavy side but it will do for now.

 

Best part is, when I got home I realised that they'd left my magazine on their work bench , so I had to go to a closer gun shop and buy another. Oh well, sorted now and more importantly, safe!

 

Thanks everyone for your advice and replies.

 

 

Mick

I have a full brooks trigger kit here with all the springs and tubes - if you want it (no charge), give me a pm with your address and i'll send it over

[albob]

All my rifles have approx 2 lb triggers on but like MC I dont notice the difference because I squeeze them all and they go off when the go off, I spent a lot of time in my archery days learning to squeeze triggers and guns are joke simple by the side of that. I laugh when people say "oh there are 4 touching but i PULLED THE FIFTH". They have only themslves to blame if they choose to "PULL" it.

 

Trigger Punchers :blink:

 

 

good to fimd someone so perfect..thought you was extinct.

 

al

[buchangun]

I had this happen to my CZ 22lr - what had happened is the wood work had been removed and when re assembled the trigger pin that the triger blade piviots on slipped to the right and out of its housing slightly on one side . All looked ok and the trigger did not feel loose but the releaseing of the saftey created enough movement to slip the sear and let the gun off.

5 mins at the gunsmith put it right - it has never done it since.

[Sauer]

I'd suggest that maybe the previous owner fitted a brookes kit or did other similar adjustment work to the trigger. I've always been warned that once work has been done you should repeatedly mess around with the safety, slam the bolt and be generally rough with the gun to check it. It seems that the safety trick is showing you it's been set too lightly or too fine.

 

I'd take it back and get it sorted. The CZ triggers aren't that complicated so as long as no material removal work has been done to the parts it will probably be easily tunable back to how it should be. I wouldn't get rid just yet as it could be a load of bother for nothing.

 

 

 

MICK HOWS YOU? HAPPY NEW YEAR

 

dont worry bout the trigger on your cz452 .22lr its a simple cheap and easy thing to fix.

 

you say your triggert is very light?

sounds to me like you have had someone fit a new spring form a trigger kit but they havent adjusted it properly thats all!

 

i had same on mine, the standard trigger is dreadful so most people buy an after market trigger kit which improves your accuracy no end believe me.

 

they cost £12 from south yorkshire shooting supplies whose website is www.rimfiremagic.co.uk

 

what happens is you fit 1 of a choice of 3 springs from the kit depending on how light you like it....then you adjust the spring and do what you call a safety test by cocking the rifle (empty of course) then bang the end of the stock to see if rifle trigger activates if rifle takes a slight thump. if it goes off then trigger is set to fine and adjust on the spring accordingly till it passes the thump/ safety test as described in the very simple included instructions.

 

take the rifle back and if the spring is too light you can get another slightly heavier spring fitted and adjusted no problem, or if your little bit savvy eith a screw driver thenorder the kit yourself and fit, its cheap and takes 10 minutes to fit and test.

 

cz452 is a cheap but damn good rifle just pity standard trigger is so ****....dont let thisd put you off

 

all the best

 

sauer

[mick miller]

A happy new year to you too, I have, via the powers of pigeon watch, a couple of springs and a trigger kit winging their way to me. Many thanks to all those PW members who offered advice and parts

 

I had the gun shop fix the problem, however the spring the fitted is still a little stiff so I could do with tuning it as per much of the advice given. I still have some reservations about disassembling the trigger mech, although it looks very simple to do I can;t find any instructions online. If anyone has a copy of the destructions they could scan and post or a link to a 'how to' that would be very handy.

 

Also, I'm not sure what tools I'll need (do I need a small punch for instance or can I get away with chopping the pointy end off a nail and using that?), I'm guessing from the comments left it's not all that hard a thing to do.

 

Finger crossed!

[Dunkield]

Mick I have done a couple of these and found the right sized punch is a must.

 

All you should need is here:

 

http://cz452.com/

 

 

And for the record I trust safety catches, that doesn't mean I would point a gn with the safety on at anything I wasn't about to shoot.

But I, and just about everyone I have even met walks/stalks with a loaded gun with the safety on (except for hill stalking)

[garyb]

And for the record I trust safety catches, that doesn't mean I would point a gn with the safety on at anything I wasn't about to shoot.

But I, and just about everyone I have even met walks/stalks with a loaded gun with the safety on (except for hill stalking)

 

Including me...

 

So long as you're muzzle aware.

[MC]

And you never fall over.

[Dunkield]

I fall over fairly regulary

More after lunch of course

[njc110381]

Stalking with a loaded rifle in woodland is common. I do it too. When you're out on the hill you have plenty fo time to take a shot and are usually a fair way from the Deer when you load up. In woodland you're closer and the Deer can leg it when you try to cycle the bolt. Even carelessly taking off the safety can spook them so you have very little chance of cycling a round! In some cases you wouldn't have time to load anyway as the Deer would be gone before you'd sorted it out

 

Muzzle awareness is everything. Even if you fall you shouldn't point the gun at yourself and with the safety on it shouldn't go off even if you do. I know there are two shoulds in that statement and that there is room for error but the liklihood of shooting yourself or someone else is probably a lot less than getting run over on the way home from work. Nothing is completely risk free.

[Dunkield]

Nothing is completely risk free.

Apart from armchair stalking, but then I guess you could put your back out reaching for the remote control

[njc110381]

Apart from armchair stalking, but then I guess you could put your back out reaching for the remote control

 

 

Shut it office boy. It's cold outside!

 

I stalk every week. It's not my fault I'm too sensitive to pull the trigger 99% of the time. Maybe I should buy a decent camera? My freezer stocks are getting low and I'll take another soon but I never sell what I shoot and rarely pay for a day so whatever I shoot I have to use. You can only eat so much venison before you get bored of it! Where's that harm in going for a walk with the rifle? If I see a scruffy one I'll shoot it but why ruin somethings day just for the sake of it?

 

EDIT.... If you ever want a Roe for the freezer you're welcome to come and get one. Show me how it's done and all that

Edited January 4, 2010 by njc110381

[Dunkield]

Shut it office boy. It's cold outside!

Funny how you assumed that was aimed at you? (it wasn't btw)

[njc110381]

Funny how you assumed that was aimed at you? (it wasn't btw)

 

You quoted me and then suggested something about armchair stalkers. I get called that a lot because I don't shoot many Deer. I seem to remember the last time that was aimed at me it was you who said it too. It's ok, I can take it

 

Seriously though, if you ever fancy a change of ground come and shoot one of my Deer. I've got 3 Does to take on one nice little patch if I can line up somewhere for the meat.

 

Fister, I think you're quite right in saying I'm in a good position. I have a lot of country type contacts and have dropped lucky. I never have to shoot Deer but can whenever I fancy it. All my Deer permissions say I can shoot Deer, but I don't have to. Most are farmers who just don't want the numbers to get out of hand and the one place that does need a strict cull also has a pro stalker who's toes I don't want to tread on. On that ground I can shoot what I want and if there are too many he comes in and takes care of it. He was there before me so that set up suits me. I don't bother him by shooting everything I see and he doesn't mind me because I don't mess with his cull plan too badly. If I was under pressure to shoot a number I really wouldn't enjoy it so much. A lot of the time I just like to watch the Deer, learn their habits and leave them be without them knowing I was ever there. If I want to shoot one on my ground I can walk straight to where they will be. That's unless they hear me and leg it like they did last time I went out

 

I had to put the .300 on hold due to lack of funds. Ideally I'd like a H&H but will settle for a Weatherby or Winchester if I can't find one. The WM is so common I'd rather have something a little rarer, and the H&H is a good old british round

[mick miller]

A quick update for those that are interested. I received two kits (1 full, 1 part kit) from very generous PW'ers.

 

I had the .22 apart today and fitted the part kit (tube and new spring) which left me with a trigger pull of 1lb and 15oz (close enough to the 2lb I was after), there's no discernible creep, I gave it a good slap and bump test and tried the safety/ trigger test and it passed with flying colours! After a quick re-zero it's now transformed into a tack driver.

 

The .17hmr is next (currently giving 4lb 12oz at the trigger) !!

 

Thanks a million to Paul and Al who helped out with advice and a generous donation of the necessary parts.