Cmac NI Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Hi guys I have a 4 month old springer and i am trying to teach her to stay but i am having real problems. I can get her to sit but when i try to tell her to stay she wont, everytime i go to step back she runs behind me . this is my 1st dog so i am a complete novice, any advice or tips would be very grateful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasper3 Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 when starting the sit/wait command...same thing.... start off by doing it in short time...1st a couple of seconds the give praise..then take it to four seconds..repeat the praise so on and so on.be patient the dog does not understand words until they can associate the sound of the command when the pup starts to stay..then start moving away... and repeat above hope this helps jasp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plinker Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 when the dog will sit at your feet and stay , face the pup and take 1 step back ,the dog will follow you ,place it back where it was and say sit or hup or whatever command you have been using.repeat this a couple more times and do the same exercise on the same spot every night, this can be extremely frustrating but keep your cool and just keep repeating the same routine every day, when it falls into place and the dog stays put every time you can gradually increase the distance betwwen you and the dog,if he fails put him back on the spot and tell him again, dont rush it and be consistant you should not scold him, just always put him back and repeat the command.it will build yours and his confidence as well when you both realise you have cracked it. hope that makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaniel Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Great advise above but to be honest i just use the Sit command, can not see a need to use the Stay command as well. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new to the flock Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 I think you can find what you are looking for here: http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...showtopic=47072 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesman Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 As above, sit means sit until I tell you to move. Keep practising the sit and make it longer each day. Once you've got the sit down then take a step back and start again. It'll take months but it's one of those games you can do for 5 minutes twice a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Wait 3 months, it will be much easier. And as Spaniel says, sit means sit until told to do otherwise. Too young mate, really, too young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmac NI Posted January 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Cheers guys, it all sounds good advice i will give it a go :blink: and i will keep yous informed on our progress Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GW80 Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 my pup is 7 months at the minute, and i've realised patients really is a virtue while training a dog, they all pick things up at differnet ages, i was worried for a while this boy was going to be totally wild as my other 2 dogs were much more bidable even at a young age. Every week i am now seeing a difference and am letting him enjoy puppyhood without being to hard on him. but still doing a lot of fun training with him and have introduced the whistle into things, as said before at 4 months she's still only a child!! concentrate in getting the bond between the 2 of you's cemented. Good luck mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanielboy Posted January 23, 2010 Report Share Posted January 23, 2010 where abouts in NI are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris o Posted January 24, 2010 Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 hi mate i have a 4 month old ess and i have got him to sit and stay perfectly obviosely he makes mistakes which i am glad he does as he wouldnt learn other wise. the way i did it was tell him hup and keep saying hup every couple of seconds with his food till i told him to get on and increase the distance and time every week till you are happy with it then when out on a walk try then aswell. expect mistakes as that is best way they learn with corrections. he is my first dog aswell but he is not from a working group but is coming on very nicely. also forgot to add before getting it to stay while you move away try just getting it to sit infront of you and keep sitting and dont move away at this stage and sit it for 10 seconds then praise it that way may work aswell. just saying what worked for me. good luck and all the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaniel Posted January 24, 2010 Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 I started my sit command with my 2 year old springer almost instantly to be honest. Always at meal time, i started to get her to sit and then release her for her food, (I put the bowl at her feet instantly she listened to the command) obviously lots of praise and you do need to show the dog what the command actually means. I had her at 8 weeks old and to be honest i started almost instantly and alot earlier then i did with my first Springer. I then just moved the food bowl away a bit further along the kitchen and this enabled me to also introduce the "high loss" or "get on" what ever command you are thinking to use, command from the sitting position. I just built it up from there. Still now i use the same commands at feedtime, but when feeding both springers together the young ones finishes her food first so i call her to me and give her the Sit command, when the other one as finished i then use the "Release" command so she then gallops off to see if their is any food left in the bowl for her she will be so lucky Also what i did was once she knew what the Sit command was, i then started to introduce the peep on the whistle. All very basic stuff but all foundation to training the dog ready for the big world of shooting. The only differance i see between both of them is that the youngest Springer sits alot quicker then the older one, maybe thats just the dogs but I can not see that it as done any harm with startig early. Hope it all works out good for you and the pup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmac NI Posted January 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 where abouts in NI are you? Down the ards pennisula Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanielboy Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 im not far from ards so will happily meet up with ya for a bit of training if you like. by no means a pro! but am also training a pup and my older springer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmac NI Posted February 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Just a wee update, after a couple of weeks, twice a day of making her sit in the same spot and telling her to stay, it is finally starting to sink in. I can step back atleast 5 or 6 yards without her moving, i am well pleased . although i am still doing it in the back garden, i dont think she would be ready to do it when i am taking her a walk across the fields. The only problem i have noticed is when i tell her to stay most of the times she doesnt look at me she just looks all around her, but she does stay in the same place, any advice on making her pay attention to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GW80 Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 Just a wee update, after a couple of weeks, twice a day of making her sit in the same spot and telling her to stay, it is finally starting to sink in. I can step back atleast 5 or 6 yards without her moving, i am well pleased . although i am still doing it in the back garden, i dont think she would be ready to do it when i am taking her a walk across the fields. The only problem i have noticed is when i tell her to stay most of the times she doesnt look at me she just looks all around her, but she does stay in the same place, any advice on making her pay attention to me. I have found that when you have the pup sat instead of walking back to her in a straight line, walk to your left or right first before returning to the pup this should start getting her to look at where you are going and focusing her attention on you. I had the same problem with my pup who would stay but was looking everywhere but at me after doing this a few times for a couple of days i found that he is looking at me now and concentrating better!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmac NI Posted February 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 I have found that when you have the pup sat instead of walking back to her in a straight line, walk to your left or right first before returning to the pup this should start getting her to look at where you are going and focusing her attention on you. I had the same problem with my pup who would stay but was looking everywhere but at me after doing this a few times for a couple of days i found that he is looking at me now and concentrating better!! Cheers mate i will give it a go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shogun Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 The way that i got my springer to look at me on the sit command is quite simple really, walk your pup at heal on the lead give a small tug on the lead and give the sit command, at this moment gently push the pups backside to the ground and turn her to face you stand upright and give the command again as soon as the pup looks at you give praise. Repeat this 3 or 4 times a session and you will get a really crisp sit to the whistle with the pup looking at you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyR Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Just a wee update, after a couple of weeks, twice a day of making her sit in the same spot and telling her to stay, it is finally starting to sink in. I can step back atleast 5 or 6 yards without her moving, i am well pleased :unsure:. although i am still doing it in the back garden, i dont think she would be ready to do it when i am taking her a walk across the fields. The only problem i have noticed is when i tell her to stay most of the times she doesnt look at me she just looks all around her, but she does stay in the same place, any advice on making her pay attention to me. I am really no expert but YOU need to be more interesting than whatever is distracting her. Tell her to 'LEAVE THAT' and throw a tennis ball or wave a dummy for her - then praise her when she responds. Hopefully soon she will associate 'LEAVE THAT' with something more fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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