bk Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Just been given permission to take the occassional red on one of my permissions. It gives me an excuse to get another calibre for the deer but firstly how to choose one. I'm going to call Staff Firearms to see what the land is passed for but I am open so do I just need the permission slip stating deer is allowed or does it need to fall within the criteria of the land. I'm thinking either .243 as there are so many around and can be used for fox, 25.06 or 6.5x55, different beasts and ideal from what I can see for deer but a little excessive for fox and expensive to load for. Finally how do people go about extracting reds from the field, they are big *******! I'm thinking maybe do the DSC1 but dont want to mention it to the firearms as they may stipulate I must do it, but do they teach extraction techniques??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Do a search on the calibre question, it has been done to death a million times As for getting them out, it depends how strong you are! Obviously the best solution is a quad or and Argocat, but you probably still end up dragging them out of really difficult places, OK with a couple of you but very hard going on your own. I have dragged hinds off the hills, mainly on the flat or downhill (which presents problems all of it's own) I wouldn't want to drag them uphill or worse still drag a 20+ stone stag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bk Posted February 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Do a search on the calibre question, it has been done to death a million times As for getting them out, it depends how strong you are! Obviously the best solution is a quad or and Argocat, but you probably still end up dragging them out of really difficult places, OK with a couple of you but very hard going on your own. I have dragged hinds off the hills, mainly on the flat or downhill (which presents problems all of it's own) I wouldn't want to drag them uphill or worse still drag a 20+ stone stag Just trying to search now, its a bit of a minefield and seems a very personal choice. 25.06 or 6.5 swede seems a little abrupt for fox! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Just trying to search now, its a bit of a minefield and seems a very personal choice. You hit the nail on the head in one there 25.06 or 6.5 swede seems a little abrupt for fox! Plenty get shot with both calibres though, it may be better to overkill and fox and have the right tool for the Reds though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heladoxa Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Just been given permission to take the occassional red on one of my permissions. It gives me an excuse to get another calibre for the deer but firstly how to choose one. I'm going to call Staff Firearms to see what the land is passed for but I am open so do I just need the permission slip stating deer is allowed or does it need to fall within the criteria of the land. I'm thinking either .243 as there are so many around and can be used for fox, 25.06 or 6.5x55, different beasts and ideal from what I can see for deer but a little excessive for fox and expensive to load for. Finally how do people go about extracting reds from the field, they are big *******! I'm thinking maybe do the DSC1 but dont want to mention it to the firearms as they may stipulate I must do it, but do they teach extraction techniques??? They say, 'If you shoot it, eat it'. Might it be a case of, 'If you can't move it, don't shoot it'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bk Posted February 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 They say, 'If you shoot it, eat it'. Might it be a case of, 'If you can't move it, don't shoot it'? Exactly, thats why I'm wanting to look at methods now and not after dropping one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Good answer What is access to the land like TT? Can you get a 4x4 in there for instance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Good answer What is access to the land like TT? Can you get a 4x4 in there for instance? Or maybe borrow a tractor from the farmer if you have a good wotking relationship with him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bk Posted February 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 (edited) The calibre issue has been sorted, the land is passed up to .243. 25-06 is out then! Edited February 19, 2010 by tangoedtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 The calibre issue has been sorted, the land is passed up to .243. 25-06 is out then! Not Necessarily, You said you had an open ticket, therefore you can get what calibre you want, the land clearance relates to someone with closed conditions. As has been said a thousand times before, there is no such thing as overkill, just underkill. FWIW I find if I have shot roe with the 223 that the hydrostatic shock caused by the fast moving bullet damages more meat than shooting with the 30 cal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Exactly, thats why I'm wanting to look at methods now and not after dropping one. best option is a mate with a quad bike, but otherwise it may be the painful thing of making sure you shoot close to tracks etc that you can access Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 So regarding extraction, is it just open fields and margins or is it hilly with large tracts of thick woodland ? Do you have a 4x4 with a trailer or large boot ? Hinds or Stags or both ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bk Posted February 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 I've spoken to FA dept and they say apply for the calibre of choice, just make sure to include the permission letter. I think the only way to extract a carcass would be by tractor or discovery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bk Posted February 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Is there a calibre that sits in between the .243 and 25-06? I like the thought of the 25-06 but the bullets seem to range 120gr plus whereas the .243 is 55-100gr. I'm put off the .243 by people struggling to stabalise 100gr bullets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Callum. Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 A big horse like up in Scotland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bk Posted February 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 A big horse like up in Scotland What twist rate are they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Callum. Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 I mean to carry the Red on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Symes Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 We use 243 and 270 for dropping big reds, not far from you. The 243 is used almost exclusively and have to say no problem grouping 100 grain rounds. As for extraction a quad is used. The shooting of them is the easy part, gralloch, extraction and lardering is when the work starts. If extraction becomes a problem give me a shout, always willing to lend a hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bk Posted February 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 We use 243 and 270 for dropping big reds, not far from you. The 243 is used almost exclusively and have to say no problem grouping 100 grain rounds.As for extraction a quad is used. The shooting of them is the easy part, gralloch, extraction and lardering is when the work starts. If extraction becomes a problem give me a shout, always willing to lend a hand. Cheers Symes, What area do you shoot in? What twist is your .243? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bk Posted February 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 I mean to carry the Red on Ah okay, lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Callum. Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Basically in Scotland they have massive horses and load the Red's on the backs of the horses and they carry them! I'm pretty sure theres Red stalking videos on youtube with someone using the horse for it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Symes Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Cheers Symes, What area do you shoot in? What twist is your .243? Cheers Not sure what the twist of the rifle is. Its a schultz and larsen. Shooting around goyt valley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bk Posted February 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 I popped into my local RFD on the way home and he tried to sell me a .270. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Basically in Scotland they have massive horses and load the Red's on the backs of the horses and they carry them!I'm pretty sure theres Red stalking videos on youtube with someone using the horse for it! they are called garrons and they are not really that big, its still a task getting a beast across the back of one even after gralloching. Wonder how putting a beast with an open stomach cavity across the back of a garron sits with the new hygene regs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 I popped into my local RFD on the way home and he tried to sell me a .270. the calibre argument, can, and always has, run and run. Most FC Rangers use 279, because that is what the crown exempt rifle is. 308 is a good all round calibre, and there is nothing it won't kill, its one of those things. its down to you to decide, is there a club local that you could try various calibres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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