al4x Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 come on people on here do like a good story that tells half the facts, but by everyones admissions a lot have spoken to RSPCA Inspectors and found they are actually caring and pretty realistic. In the situation mentioned with 10 GSD's that have lived in a pack environment with an owner thats died you don't know any more facts its hard to comment. What you can say is odds are they were distressed by their owners demise and being caught up and they aren't easy dogs to handle. A decision would have been taken with a vet and probably any relatives as to whether they were likely to be able to be rehomed and the safest way for the handlers of getting them out. If they were deemed dangerous etc then that would explain why they were put down, then you have 10 to deal with as fast as possible and the reasoning becomes clear for using a gun of sorts and most of our meat is killed with bolt guns they are a humane way of euthanasia without having to have a vet muzzle and get near each dog. Then you have the issue of putting dogs and cats down and you get on the how easy is it to rehome elderly dogs and cats and it isn't, people don't go looking for an old pet they know will be with them for a relatively short time hence the having to put them down. Its not a pleasant situation but it is a realistic one caused by people not looking after their animals and in some cases not being able to look after them. Everyone seems to read an internet page and think someone else will look after an animal but it just isn't that simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 i was telling my mother in-law about the 10 german sheperds that was bolt gunned and she said she new 2 that was killed by the rspca, there owner a wealthy doctor who at the time was her landlord passed away and in his will left all his money and any money gained from the sale of his estate to the rspca under the conditions they looked after his two german sheperds for the rest of there days, they was put to sleep 2 weeks later! but as he had no children or other relatives to follow it up they kept all his money too and from what she said it was a large amount 10's of thousands and this was back in the 60 or 70s so an aweful lot of money at the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 come on people on here do like a good story that tells half the facts, but by everyones admissions a lot have spoken to RSPCA Inspectors and found they are actually caring and pretty realistic. In the situation mentioned with 10 GSD's that have lived in a pack environment with an owner thats died you don't know any more facts its hard to comment. What you can say is odds are they were distressed by their owners demise and being caught up and they aren't easy dogs to handle. A decision would have been taken with a vet and probably any relatives as to whether they were likely to be able to be rehomed and the safest way for the handlers of getting them out. If they were deemed dangerous etc then that would explain why they were put down, then you have 10 to deal with as fast as possible and the reasoning becomes clear for using a gun of sorts and most of our meat is killed with bolt guns they are a humane way of euthanasia without having to have a vet muzzle and get near each dog. Then you have the issue of putting dogs and cats down and you get on the how easy is it to rehome elderly dogs and cats and it isn't, people don't go looking for an old pet they know will be with them for a relatively short time hence the having to put them down. Its not a pleasant situation but it is a realistic one caused by people not looking after their animals and in some cases not being able to look after them. Everyone seems to read an internet page and think someone else will look after an animal but it just isn't that simple. Ahh, but I do know ! I recently had cause to call on the RSPCA as THE animal welfare society in this country. It was reference police cruelty to an animal they held in kennels and subsequently "lost" for a couple of weeks. An independent vet said the dog was lucky to be alive due to not being fed and watered, it also suffered a kidney problem due to this. The RSPCA said "we don't get involved in cases like this". They would not take on the police, obviously buddy buddy, and flatly refused to comment. They're greedy, self centrered, snout in the trough trash and nothing more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 was it the police's own kennels or one that they used. Sounds very strange as certainly my local force uses private kennels if they hold a dog and most of those wouldn't starve a dog even if due to a paperwork problem they didn't know which kennels it had gone to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeh Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 The problem is, people are being instantly biased against the RSPCA. They've done alot to deserve such bias, but on this ocasion, let's ask what where they meant to do with 10, massive hard-to-re home German shepherds?. Look at any dog rehoming center, they are packed full of unwanted dogs, most are operating far beyond what is there maximum number of dogs, and literally have no room left. Go to anywhere, say Battersea dogs home - and about 90% of the dogs you'll find there are Staffy Crosses. The main problem here is the trend of buying dogs and throwing them away into dog homes once they become troublesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boromir Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Not being a brainy box but couldnt they have darted the dogs, that way its pain free and safe for the person who has to put them to sleep. Nobody is putting a bolt through my dogs head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 whats not painfree about a bolt gun? its as humane as any gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza Posted February 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 The problem is, people are being instantly biased against the RSPCA. They've done alot to deserve such bias, but on this ocasion, let's ask what where they meant to do with 10, massive hard-to-re home German shepherds?. Look at any dog rehoming center, they are packed full of unwanted dogs, most are operating far beyond what is there maximum number of dogs, and literally have no room left. Go to anywhere, say Battersea dogs home - and about 90% of the dogs you'll find there are Staffy Crosses. The main problem here is the trend of buying dogs and throwing them away into dog homes once they become troublesome. These people offered to take them...... http://www.germanshepherdrescue.co.uk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boromir Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 whats not painfree about a bolt gun? its as humane as any gun. I know but I dont like the idea of sticking a screwdriver mincing the brain up, I know its a way of making sure but as in that report they had to use the bolt gun several times on some of the dogs. If they were dangerous and the RSPCA have all that money a dart gun would of done the trick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza Posted February 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 whats not painfree about a bolt gun? its as humane as any gun. When it's used correctly. Two or three times on a single animal wouldn't be my idea of pain free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boromir Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 (edited) WSPA states: 'The penetrative captive bolt pistol must be placed in contact with the animal’s skull and precise positioning is essential so that the bolt penetrates the correct area of the brain first time. Animals must be adequately restrained so that the head remains steady (Carding, 1977; Dennis et al., 1988; Beaver et al., 2001), which makes this method particularly difficult with fearful and aggressive dogs and cats (Carding, 1977). Furthermore, the conformational differences between the skulls of individuals and breeds of dogs increase the risk of a mis-stun. The principle skull types are dolichocephalic (long, narrow head), brachycephalic (short, wide heads) and mesaticephalic (medium proportions). As there is a high risk of mis-stunning through inadequate use of the penetrating captive bolt, and hence causing pain and distress, WSPA considers this an unacceptable method for the euthanasia of dogs and cats.' Copied from another site this is not my work. Edited February 22, 2010 by BFG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boromir Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Boltguns-on-dogs/ Sign here if your against using bolt guns on dogs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyr8 Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 dogs are intelligent animals shepherds especially.they would have sensed what was going on and the fear those dogs must have felt is unthinkable.they oppted for the cheapest,easiest option.the dogs were never considered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Never understood why they see fit to wear a uniform akin to the police, tonight they rolled out a Cheif Inspector. What was he before that ? A detective sargeant? and before that a constable ? Who gives them the pips on their shoulders ? They do as much harm as good and as feildsportsmen they are no way our friends. The traffic wardens of the animal world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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