.22 magnum

[wildfowler.250]

I was just wondering if there's any WMR fans on here? Im considering changing my HMR for one as most of my vermin shooting is around the 50-100 yard mark and very rarely beyond 120-150 yards. Is there much advantage in the change of calibers? I was also wondering what sort of accauracy you can expect from the WMR (especially in semi auto)?

 

 

I know it's a much more popular round in the states probably due to the larger variety in vermin so I'm interested to hear everyone views

 

 

As always, any replies are greatly appreciated!

 

 

ATB

[Glensman]

I'm a MASSIVE .22 WMR fan. Cheaper ammo than HMR and it's a much better killing round within 100 yards.

 

http://www.chuckhawks.com/compared_17HMR_22WMR.htm

[Dekers]

I can't deny I am a big fan of the .22WMR, just sold my last WMR in favour of a brand new one, the calibre gives me a great feeling of confidence when I have one in my hands.

 

I find my new one in particular handles most ammo very well, actually I haven't found anything it doesn't like yet, Ballistic tips from Hornady and Remington, CCI 40g & 30g HP's, Winchester, etc, etc.

 

I have .22lr and HMR as well. I have a use for them all.

 

The WMR does not fly quite as fast or flat as the HMR, but the 30g ballistics etc are relatively speaking very close, and when they arrive they are pretty terminal!

 

I would have to say accuracy wise they are very good these days, the HMR may well just have to edge but with any sort of a crosswind the HMR can shift 4 inches, I'm not happy with my HMR when it is gusty!

 

WMR hits a lot harder than HMR and it isn't just power remember, it makes a much bigger hole and with the right ammo for the right quarry can impart all it's 320(ish) ft lb, not much argues with that!!

 

Difficult without going on for ages, but I love it, it isn't better than the HMR or .22lr, it is different, but it is great!!

 

 

PS

The HMR sort of arrived and demolished the WMR some 10 years or so back but many are now realising the HMR is not the new Messiah and the WMR is making a comeback, the WMR has always been popular in the States and apart from the fact WMR ammo IS a bit cheaper than HMR, CCI actually make a wider choice of WMR ammo than HMR.

 

Here speaks a WMR fan as you can tell, but I like my HMR and .22lr as well!!

[richard_gun]

Is the WMR less susceptible to ricochets compared to a .22LR ? I understand that FEO's often favour HMR over .22LR as a first rimfire for this reason... also as a rabbit gun does the WMR do as much meat damage as a HMR for non head shots. I know theres more energy that the HMR just wondered if the lower velocity bullet isn't quite so explosive on impact..

 

Thanks guys

[Dekers]

Is the WMR less susceptible to ricochets compared to a .22LR ? I understand that FEO's often favour HMR over .22LR as a first rimfire for this reason... also as a rabbit gun does the WMR do as much meat damage as a HMR for non head shots. I know theres more energy that the HMR just wondered if the lower velocity bullet isn't quite so explosive on impact..

 

Thanks guys

 

 

Every round has the potential to ricochet but the WMR is much less prone to doing so than the .22lr.

 

The WMR will do just as much if not more meat damage if you use a similar bullet, V-Max for instance, it is slower but it is bigger and carries more energy!

 

However, there is plenty of ammo choice, actually more than the HMR and less destructive ammo is available!

 

:yp:

[wymberley]

Hi,

Superb piece of kit. However, as you'd expect, they are round sensitive so try a selection. My bad luck is that mine prefers RWS which cost but for fox they are unbeatable.

Cheers

[Glensman]

I've only tried Win Super X, Remmy and CCI through mine- they all group Very well...

[wymberley]

I've only tried Win Super X, Remmy and CCI through mine- they all group Very well...

Hi,

Said it was my bad luck - I've got the same rifle! Is the Remmy the 33gr? Although it doesn't shoot as hard as the RWS, it is flatter and I was really peeved when it didn't suit mine.

Good to see you kept the Churchill!

Cheers

[Glensman]

Hi,

Said it was my bad luck - I've got the same rifle! Is the Remmy the 33gr? Although it doesn't shoot as hard as the RWS, it is flatter and I was really peeved when it didn't suit mine.

Good to see you kept the Churchill!

Cheers

 

 

Well the Churchill's still around for now, but it's wasted here. Hasn't fired a shot in years!

 

I've only used 40gr ammo through my magnum, it used to be Incredibly accurate then the groups got a wee bit bigger... Turns out I dented the crown somehow had it re-crowned there on Monday- havent got testin the groups yet, I'll hopefully get out tomorrow afternoon

[wildfowler.250]

Thanks for all the replies!

 

 

I can't deny I am a big fan of the .22WMR, just sold my last WMR in favour of a brand new one, the calibre gives me a great feeling of confidence when I have one in my hands.

 

I find my new one in particular handles most ammo very well, actually I haven't found anything it doesn't like yet, Ballistic tips from Hornady and Remington, CCI 40g & 30g HP's, Winchester, etc, etc.

 

I have .22lr and HMR as well. I have a use for them all.

 

The WMR does not fly quite as fast or flat as the HMR, but the 30g ballistics etc are relatively speaking very close, and when they arrive they are pretty terminal!

 

I would have to say accuracy wise they are very good these days, the HMR may well just have to edge but with any sort of a crosswind the HMR can shift 4 inches, I'm not happy with my HMR when it is gusty!

 

WMR hits a lot harder than HMR and it isn't just power remember, it makes a much bigger hole and with the right ammo for the right quarry can impart all it's 320(ish) ft lb, not much argues with that!!

 

Difficult without going on for ages, but I love it, it isn't better than the HMR or .22lr, it is different, but it is great!!

 

 

PS

The HMR sort of arrived and demolished the WMR some 10 years or so back but many are now realising the HMR is not the new Messiah and the WMR is making a comeback, the WMR has always been popular in the States and apart from the fact WMR ammo IS a bit cheaper than HMR, CCI actually make a wider choice of WMR ammo than HMR.

 

Here speaks a WMR fan as you can tell, but I like my HMR and .22lr as well!!

 

May I ask Dekers, as you have all three rimfires....if you were filling a 'gap' between .22 lr and .223 for vermin shooting, (mainly rabbits) which one would it be?

 

 

many thanks again for all the replies!

[Glensman]

It would be usefult to point out if you're going to eat them or not? The HMR would cause less meat damage and you could more consistently take head-shots...

[Dekers]

Thanks for all the replies!

 

 

 

 

May I ask Dekers, as you have all three rimfires....if you were filling a 'gap' between .22 lr and .223 for vermin shooting, (mainly rabbits) which one would it be?

 

 

many thanks again for all the replies!

 

Rabbits

Most probably in most cases the HMR, but it depends on the land/situation/circumstances.

It will tend to have the edge in the accuracy steaks and deliver more than enough grunt to stop a rabbit at a good distance.

 

Fox, Geese, rabbits

The WMR wins hands down!!!

[Dekers]

It would be usefult to point out if you're going to eat them or not? The HMR would cause less meat damage and you could more consistently take head-shots...

 

Valid point, like for like the WMR will do a chunk more damage to a rabbit, and whilst head shots are easy for both I would agree that on the whole the HMR "edges" things in the accuracy steaks.

 

The WMR was never historically known for great accuracy, but mine have always been pretty good, and the new one I bought just before Christmas is very good. WMR ammo seems to have come a long way with several V-Max types available which really are VERY VERY close to HMR accuracy wise!

 

Yes, I eat them, give a few to pals and sell a few, but on the whole my rabbit issues are vermin control so I just stop them. But by virtue of the numbers I get every year, I take more than I can deal with in an edible condition, so not a problem for me!

 

ATB!!

[wildfowler.250]

Thanks Glensman and Dekers for your replies!

 

 

It really depends where and when I'm shooting whether I eat them or not. I like to eat what I shoot but generally doing pest control during the summer im not going to eat all of them personally,(although I find a use for nearly all of them one way or another). In the winter when there are fewer about and it's easier to hang them for a few days an so on I usually end up taking home what I shoot. However as you pointed out Dekers, if you shoot enough you will always have plenty 'edible' ones.

 

 

 

On a slightly different note... i read something somewhere about the vmax's not being so good in the .22mag? or mabye that it was that they didnt explode as well past 100 yards when compaired to the HMR? Either way, whoever wrote it prefered the heavier bullets.

 

 

 

I have to say that one reason I'm contemplating a change is partly due to fancying something different but also because I've noticed you can get quite a difference in quality/consistency of HMR ammo.

 

 

 

finally....any gun recommendations you'd like to add?

 

 

 

Thanks again for all the opinions and links. It's all very helpful

[Dekers]

Thanks Glensman and Dekers for your replies!

 

 

It really depends where and when I'm shooting whether I eat them or not. I like to eat what I shoot but generally doing pest control during the summer im not going to eat all of them personally,(although I find a use for nearly all of them one way or another). In the winter when there are fewer about and it's easier to hang them for a few days an so on I usually end up taking home what I shoot. However as you pointed out Dekers, if you shoot enough you will always have plenty 'edible' ones.

 

 

 

On a slightly different note... i read something somewhere about the vmax's not being so good in the .22mag? or mabye that it was that they didnt explode as well past 100 yards when compaired to the HMR? Either way, whoever wrote it prefered the heavier bullets.

 

 

 

I have to say that one reason I'm contemplating a change is partly due to fancying something different but also because I've noticed you can get quite a difference in quality/consistency of HMR ammo.

 

 

 

finally....any gun recommendations you'd like to add?

 

 

 

Thanks again for all the opinions and links. It's all very helpful

 

 

That may well have been me on another Forum, and is one of the reasons I bought a new WMR.

 

I was not at all happy with the performance of the Hornady 30g V Max. Groups were the worst of all my WMR ammo.

 

The Hornady V-Max and the Rremington equilivent both work well in my new one, as does 30 and 40g CCI etc! My old WMR had a short barrel and was the ONLY rifle I have ever bought used, I'm not making any particular suggestions, but everything works well in the "new" rifle...fortunatelty!!

 

My WMR is a CZ American with SAK, was full length but I had the barrel cut before I collected it to 19". All my rimfires are CZ, they do the job for me!

[wymberley]

Dekers and Glensman, hi,

Your answers (good stuff) have me thinking, am I expecting too much? What group size (5 round) would you be looking for at 100yds to be considered as good as one could hope for? Didn't mean to high-jack CZ's topic, hopefully he may be interested too.

Cheers

[Glensman]

Dekers and Glensman, hi,

Your answers (good stuff) have me thinking, am I expecting too much? What group size (5 round) would you be looking for at 100yds to be considered as good as one could hope for? Didn't mean to high-jack CZ's topic, hopefully he may be interested too.

Cheers

 

 

Touchy subject with me today! When I got the WMR she'd make one hole groups at 100 yards every day of the week. I then changed to a Schmidt scope which has very heavy cross hairs, this (that's what im blamin) pushed my groups to inch but the scope is amazing for foxing...

 

My groups started to get a bit bigger a few months ago so I had it checked by a gunsmith last week and he said the crown had a dent in it- So I had the gun threaded and crowned. Fired about 14 shots today and the 'groups' were disgusting. Gonna try again 2moro to see if it sorts itself out

 

On an upshot he did my 10/22 as well and it's shooting 10 shot 1-inch groups at 80 yards

[Dekers]

Dekers and Glensman, hi,

Your answers (good stuff) have me thinking, am I expecting too much? What group size (5 round) would you be looking for at 100yds to be considered as good as one could hope for? Didn't mean to high-jack CZ's topic, hopefully he may be interested too.

Cheers

 

 

I got my new one just before Christmas and to be honest it still needs zeroing properly.

 

It is there or there abouts, and seems happy with everything I have fed it so far, it is achieving 1" groups with everything I have given it, with me lying in the snow, mud or floods! It will do better when I dry out and stop shivering!

 

But I freely admit that side by side, in ideal conditions, I suspect the HMR will produce fractionally tighter groups!

[wymberley]

I got my new one just before Christmas and to be honest it still needs zeroing properly.

 

It is there or there abouts, and seems happy with everything I have fed it so far, it is achieving 1" groups with everything I have given it, with me lying in the snow, mud or floods! It will do better when I dry out and stop shivering!

 

But I freely admit that side by side, in ideal conditions, I suspect the HMR will produce fractionally tighter groups!

And Glensman, thanks chaps. Seems we're all in agreement except that for whatever reason I'm stuck with RWS. My oppo shoots Remmy 33gr so I may just scrounge a few and try again but I won't hold my breath: Fortunately, I don't shoot all that many which at £18+ a box is just as well.

Again, thanks,

Phil

[rapid rich]

Hi lads, I have an anschutz 22 mag.I bought it new in 1996 and love it. It loves the winchester 40 super x and federal 30 gr with the sierra bullet heads although these i believe are only now avalible with the speer bullet.I have tried various rounds over the years but have recently acquired a large selection of various brands.CCI maxi mag,maxi mag+v,cci tnt,Rws,hornady v-max,remmington ballistic tip and winchester super X. Once i get some testing done i'll let you know how it goes. I have shot many foxes,rabbits and corvids over the years with this and i love it!!!

Regards Richard

[Dekers]

And Glensman, thanks chaps. Seems we're all in agreement except that for whatever reason I'm stuck with RWS. My oppo shoots Remmy 33gr so I may just scrounge a few and try again but I won't hold my breath: Fortunately, I don't shoot all that many which at £18+ a box is just as well.

Again, thanks,

Phil

 

 

Only just noticed that....£18 for 50?

 

That is crazy, I can nearly get my man down to that for 100 TODAY on Hornady 30g V-Max

[rapid rich]

Only just noticed that....£18 for 50?

 

That is crazy, I can nearly get my man down to that for 100 TODAY on Hornady 30g V-Max

Think i paid £12 for 50 hornady v max last i got couple of months ago.

Rich

Edited March 14, 2010 by rapid rich

[Dekers]

Think i paid £12 for 50 hornady v max last i got couple of months ago.

Rich

 

Can't really argue much with that price and to be fair I was talking £200 per 1000 so £20 per 100 (buying 1000) and leaning on my man a bit!

 

ATB!!

 

As a matter of interest what do you think of these??

[rapid rich]

Can't really argue much with that price and to be fair I was talking £200 per 1000 so £20 per 100 (buying 1000) and leaning on my man a bit!

 

ATB!!

 

As a matter of interest what do you think of these??

Havn't had a chance to give them a real good test yet.Will hopefully know better next weekend....... weather permitting.

Winchester were always good but not as zippy as some.Best i found was federal 30gr (P765)

Rich

[wymberley]

Only just noticed that....£18 for 50?

 

That is crazy, I can nearly get my man down to that for 100 TODAY on Hornady 30g V-Max

Hi,

I agree. I'm told that the £/Euro exchange rate doesn't help and both my local stockists are charging the same within a few pence. Mind you, in my gun they are tasty, less than 0.75" group at 100yds and as said, I don't fire too many. Unless there's a make that I've missed, they have the highest muzzle energy of any WMR and out to 150yds still out-guns the Remmy 33gr which is no slow coach with a very good BC.

Cheers