Brad93 Posted March 23, 2010 Report Share Posted March 23, 2010 Looking to make an automatic trap (how hard can it be ), but have no clue how the spring works, how new clays are loaded etc. Any help would be appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted March 23, 2010 Report Share Posted March 23, 2010 not an expert, but from what i know theres no spring really (in any ive seen) just an arm that spins round and flicks the clay out. as for loading im not 100% sure... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuck. Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 not sure how they're made but if I was making my own I'd use a hooked spring (cant remember what they're called) but the springs with hooks on the end, and a linear actuator (to relocate the arm). can't be too hard can it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beretta Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 not as simple as it sounds to make an auto trap. clutches, gearboxes all of the right type and strength are needed make a single arm with a big spring as it will be quicker and easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJN Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 Try looking at this, it might be of some help http://www.promatic.co.uk/_includes/docs/p...wnersManual.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuck. Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 not as simple as it sounds to make an auto trap. clutches, gearboxes all of the right type and strength are needed make a single arm with a big spring as it will be quicker and easier. what if you got a relocating 12v actuator that cocks the arm back to a locking position with for instance a pin locking into a hole on a retracting bit of metal that retracts with the actuator going home, then on the actuators way back it releases the arm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuck. Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 only problem with my idea is that it's not an instantaneous release.. but you could always hook up an alarm to actuator so when its about to release the clay it will buzz! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beretta Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 what if you got a relocating 12v actuator that cocks the arm back to a locking position with for instance a pin locking into a hole on a retracting bit of metal that retracts with the actuator going home, then on the actuators way back it releases the arm just what i was going to say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuck. Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 Looking to make an automatic trap (how hard can it be ), but have no clue how the spring works, how new clays are loaded etc. Any help would be appreciated with regard to how the clays are loaded, it would be like a normal trap, gravity fed so that when the bottom clay is flung, the next stacked clay falls into its place. just what i was going to say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 I think it will be quite hard to make areliable clay trap but it would be fun trying! If it were me I'd copy an existing one for more results quicker and easier. You could do worse than copy a promatic IMHO mines an elite and is great chucked thousands of clays and never a problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune82 Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 If you do make one be bloody careful. A few of us bought an old Bowman a few years back. The bloody thing fired a clay at my mates head when it was supposed to be decocked and disconnected. A few weeks later it nearly took his hand off. Its in pieces now!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libs Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Simply put, when the trap is armed, a finely adjusted 'blade' separates a clay from the bottom of a stack in the turret. This clay then drops onto a plate as the turret moves round whilst the spring is fully retracted and held in place just before center. When the button is pressed the motor starts the system moiving again and the spring is knocked just past center causing the arm to flick through ~180 degrees imparting spin and forward momentum onto the previously separated clay which was sitting on the plate. As the motor continues to move, the whole process starts again and the trap is re-armed. A huge mass of wireing and fast+slow moving mechanical parts all operate from a 12V DC or 230V AC supply, with all movement coming from the same motor. VERY well thought out, and if the trap is properly maintained and adjusted, and fed a supply of good clays it will be extremely reliable. Its hard to explain and you can only really understand the mechanism if you see for yourself, but obviously only watch from the back or left hand side because a broken clay flies just as fast from the trap as an intact one, but never in the same direction ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George1990 Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 The arm goes round and round but on an off-centre cam, so as it cocks the spring becomes under tension. When you press the button the arm is released, already just touching the clay, which is on a metal plate ready to be fired. On our one, the carousel then spins round and the plate rises to gently take the clay, and as the arm comes round the plate drops again to the firing position. Not sure how the single column ones load the next clay. The motor therefore must be pretty strong, as the spring needed will be very tight. Also the frame you build will have to be pretty tough to take the strain, and the rattle as the arm flings. Good luck making one as it will be pretty difficult. Just make it stronger than you think. On clay grounds they always seem to run really smoothly though. Our one wobbles like mad and makes a racket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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