BSA_Shaun Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 I am thinking buying a new air gun. At the momont i have a BSA XL Tactical but i need a stronger gun. I want to be able to take down a carrien crow at about 30 yards and be ether a .22 or a .117 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmboy99 Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 any full power rifle should manage the job so long as the correct shot placement is carried out mate. have you cronoed your bsa? it should in theory be up for the job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewjames Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 (edited) fx 2000 never let anyone down ive owned one for a while and its accurate up to 50 yards no prob. sure their old but a very beautiful rifle and you could pick one up on the cheap, they pop up every once in a while in the guns section here. what sort of budget are you looking at? are you also looking for rifles above the 12ft lb limit? Edited March 31, 2010 by poisedshot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSA_Shaun Posted March 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 (edited) fx 2000 never let anyone down ive owned one for a while and its accurate up to 50 yards no prob. sure their old but a very beautiful rifle and you could pick one up on the cheap, they pop up every once in a while in the guns section here. what sort of budget are you looking at? are you also looking for rifles above the 12ft lb limit? up to £800 no i want to stay within 12ft lb Edited March 31, 2010 by BSA_Shaun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron airgunner Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 if £800 pound is your budget then your options are endless. hw100, air arms s410, bsa r10, daystate huntsman to name just a few very good multi shot pcp's. have a look in your local shop and try a few out to see which one fits you best. you may like the solid german stock of the hw100 or the more traditional british stocks of the daystate and air arms. the r10 is a very nice rifle and highly reccomended. with a budget like yours you could have anything you want. all modern pcps can easily take down a carrion crow to 50yrds but shot placement is the key. just behind the eye will kill on all legal quarry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackinbox99 Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 if £800 pound is your budget then your options are endless.hw100, air arms s410, bsa r10, daystate huntsman to name just a few very good multi shot pcp's. have a look in your local shop and try a few out to see which one fits you best. you may like the solid german stock of the hw100 or the more traditional british stocks of the daystate and air arms. the r10 is a very nice rifle and highly reccomended. with a budget like yours you could have anything you want. all modern pcps can easily take down a carrion crow to 50yrds but shot placement is the key. just behind the eye will kill on all legal quarry. I couldnt say better myself. Spot on!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSA_Shaun Posted March 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 if £800 pound is your budget then your options are endless.hw100, air arms s410, bsa r10, daystate huntsman to name just a few very good multi shot pcp's. have a look in your local shop and try a few out to see which one fits you best. you may like the solid german stock of the hw100 or the more traditional british stocks of the daystate and air arms. the r10 is a very nice rifle and highly reccomended. with a budget like yours you could have anything you want. all modern pcps can easily take down a carrion crow to 50yrds but shot placement is the key. just behind the eye will kill on all legal quarry. What cal? .22 or .117? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 all good points aaron. now caliber is entirely down to personal preference. .22 - more punch .177 - flatter shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewjames Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 air rifle hunters predominantly use .22 as it creates greater energy on impact some would say its more humane shooting with .22 than a .177 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 All will be about same power 12flbs,make sure its a pcp,make sure its a multi shot,make sure its a .177,if in any doubt about the .177 bit ask your local gun smith the .177 travels faster,further,straighter and sometimes goes right through quarry,compared to the .22 travels slower,shorter,curved trajectory,hits harder,hitting your target is the most important consideration,if you dont hit it, it aint dead. Any rifle will kill at 30yrds on legal quarry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewjames Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 whats the difference between a few hundred ft per second? the animal isnt getting away lol and besides i think .22 suits hunting better due to its more stable flight in windy conditions... .177 is going to get blown of course easier. you got a problem on your hands mate lol just get a .20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSA_Shaun Posted March 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 whats the difference between a few hundred ft per second? the animal isnt getting away lol and besides i think .22 suits hunting better due to its more stable flight in windy conditions... .177 is going to get blown of course easier. you got a problem on your hands mate lol just get a .20 is there a .20? never heared of one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewjames Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 not sure if its the done thing in this country but there are calibers that range from 177, .20, .22, .25. and even .50 cal (big bore) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSA_Shaun Posted March 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 not sure if its the done thing in this country but there are calibers that range from 177, .20, .22, .25. and even .50 cal (big bore) .50 cal Air rifle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 I will always recommend a Theoben Rapid for excellent shot capacity per charge but I do love my Air Arms S410K-lovely rifle with supreme accuracy.I'd say to go for .177 in sub FAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colster Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 Without getting into the emotive side of the .177/.22 debate, you'll generally get more shots per charge out of .22 than you will .177 and if you have big hands .22 pellets are easier to handle. ... but either will do the job, if the shooter does theirs, though to be honest I think trying to regularly hit carrion crows at 50 yards is ambitious for a non-FAC air-rifle...possible yes but really not easy, they're tough things and as aaron said shot placement is critical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclemicky Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...howtopic=118891 Shaun have a look cheers Mick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 Without getting into the emotive side of the .177/.22 debate, you'll generally get more shots per charge out of .22 than you will .177 and if you have big hands .22 pellets are easier to handle. ... but either will do the job, if the shooter does theirs, though to be honest I think trying to regularly hit carrion crows at 50 yards is ambitious for a non-FAC air-rifle...possible yes but really not easy, they're tough things and as aaron said shot placement is critical. :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconBoy Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 falcon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron airgunner Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 .177 vs .22? i like .177 more than .22 because if i estimate my ranes wrong its much more forgiving than a .22. of course this problem would be easily fixed with a laser range finder. basically, a .177 pellet has a much flatter trajectory than a .22 due to the .177 being lighter. this means, for example, if you have zeroed your rifle at 30m then at 40m a .177 pellet will have droppd only 1/4 of an inch down, whereas the .22 pellet will have dropped 3/4 of an inch. so if you guess a crows' range wrong and you dont hold over then that crows is still going to be a dead crow with a .177. with a .22 you could have missed the head completely. in my opinion, all this about .22 having more 'punch' dose not really matter as any pellet which goes through the brain of your quarry is going to kill cleanly regardless of size. i think the flatter trajectory of the .177 out weighs the fact that it dose not have as much 'punch' as a .22. the only time i could see the .22 outweighing the .177 is when your doing close range rat or feral shooting where sometimes your quarry will be moving and you need to take a body shot. this is when the .22 having more 'punch' would have the advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEINVISIBLESCARECROW Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 A stronger gun. Do you mean more powerfull ? If so your reason for wanting a PCP is a little off the rails. You'll be better off wandering into the local shop & handling some just to find out what you like the look of & what feels right when you handle it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 whats the difference between a few hundred ft per second? the animal isnt getting away lol and besides i think .22 suits hunting better due to its more stable flight in windy conditions... .177 is going to get blown of course easier. you got a problem on your hands mate lol just get a .20 No problems here mate,have AA S410 .177 killed plenty rabbits,and' the difference between a few hundred ft per second',is my rabbit is dead before your shot misses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSA_Shaun Posted April 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...howtopic=118891 Shaun have a look cheers Mick. Would I need a rifle licsence for this gun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 nope - great gun there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron airgunner Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 (edited) Would I need a rifle licsence for this gun? no. as long as its not FAC you can own it. this is also a very good gun but be warned: just becasue its a very good gun for other people it may not be a very good gun for you. everyone has a stock which suits them. i once knew a 6ft4 guy who bought a BSA ultra because everyone says they are a decent rifles, which they are, but it did nto fit him at all as you can imagine (i.e very small gun and very big guy) whereas i have tried a hw100 and they are good but don't fit me as well as air arms stock.. Edited April 1, 2010 by aaron airgunner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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