Admiral Von Tirpitz Posted April 19, 2010 Report Share Posted April 19, 2010 I know these guns have been the subject of much debate on here, but good or bad, when they are good they are very good. However recently my one has been very bad. It got caught by a couple of heavy squadrons of pigeons along with a number of scouts and was firing off some great shots and kills, plus some great triples, then it jammed. It jammed so bad, I could not with even gloves on, open the chamber, it was stuck with a empty in position and two live rounds below, I left the field, like a sitting duck, piegons still flying over and wondering..... To the Hatsun Escort owners, any clues what is up with it. I only had it serviced last year for £45 because it was not cycling correctly with clear pigeon 6 shot, so am reluctant to spend that again when it has probably only had 250 rounds through it since. Am I doing something wrong in looking after it, or are the guns just on the whole a load of rubbish?? I even have to take a second gun to clay shoots, as I am never certain it will run and shoot a 100 rounds without fault. Honest views appreciated please??? Admiral Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev 1 Posted April 19, 2010 Report Share Posted April 19, 2010 I had the spring come off the buttun you press in to stop the next cart being fed into the chamber, it mi8ght be that that has come out and jammed around your empty,and caused it to get more stuck.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Posted April 19, 2010 Report Share Posted April 19, 2010 Gotta have the right cartridge in it, with the right cartridge I would say its an decent gun for sitting in a hedge with etc:yes: Mine worked well on HB pigeon 32grm. also it depends on what model you have, if it has a curvy butt pad its the cartridge (most likely) but f its the older type.... they wernt that great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 are you cleaning the two gas port holes regularly, full strip down after each trip out, the holes tend to get blocked with carbon/soot build up, with can cause jams as it wont throw the slide back enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanl50 Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 I know these guns have been the subject of much debate on here, but good or bad, when they are good they are very good. However recently my one has been very bad. It got caught by a couple of heavy squadrons of pigeons along with a number of scouts and was firing off some great shots and kills, plus some great triples, then it jammed. It jammed so bad, I could not with even gloves on, open the chamber, it was stuck with a empty in position and two live rounds below, I left the field, like a sitting duck, piegons still flying over and wondering..... To the Hatsun Escort owners, any clues what is up with it. I only had it serviced last year for £45 because it was not cycling correctly with clear pigeon 6 shot, so am reluctant to spend that again when it has probably only had 250 rounds through it since. Am I doing something wrong in looking after it, or are the guns just on the whole a load of rubbish?? I even have to take a second gun to clay shoots, as I am never certain it will run and shoot a 100 rounds without fault. Honest views appreciated please??? Admiral Hi Mine has digested over 5000 rounds no probs and you paid £45.00 for a service! you dont need too they are so simple to strip and clean nothing you cant do yourself. honest Ill show you if you want ? I dont clean mine one month to the next, and I shoot Gamebore clear pigeon. Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclemicky Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 Admiral mine will not cycle 65mm carts and will jam at every opportunity , now 67mm and longer all day every day , as for the cart thats jammed pair of long nosed pliers and do some wiggling about untill it is free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR JAMES Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 Hi M8, Sorry to hear that you are having problems with this Shot Gun. I have owned an older model and now own the newer model. Both have never let me down while shooting pigeons with most makes & types of cartridges. I have heard of a spring snapping and causeing it jam solidly. How to get it unjamed that I cant tell you. It will be a full stip down if you can but i am most certain that its a snapped spring jaming it. Good Luck M8 and let me know how you get on. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedpan39 Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 I had an old type and the end of the carrier carrier spring broke off. That jammed it solid. Quite a fiddle to unjam. Carrier springs cheap as chips, swine to force on though. Last big Jam was a bit of the inner bolt snapped off, no way of fixing it as it was part of the bolt. took it back and bought a Benelli. 5 Times the price but no more jams. (so far) Pity really as the gun shot superbly. Newer ones apparently a bit more stable! Bedpan39 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 I would say the gas ports are dirty.When you clean the barrel-poke a piece of wire or a cut down cotton bud etc through the ports after so no solvents or soot is left inside.You might also find that certain cartridges are dirtier than others and just avoid them afterwards.I always found D&J's and Rio's left a lot of cr*p in the gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Von Tirpitz Posted April 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 Thank You all very much for your comments, I have a mate looking at her as we speak, I will let you know what he comes back with....... :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 I would guess if it is jammed solid it could be the gas piston, undo the knurled forend cap, take the forend off, then the barrel, you should see an o-ring (which may have broken and stuck under the piston) then the piston, check the piston moves up and down the mag tube - it should only have the spring resistance. If it is stiff it could be the mag tube or the piston... Regards, Gixer, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Von Tirpitz Posted April 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 Thanks All - My friend who also uses the gun, has found that a spring and/or clip has snapped - gun has only had probably 1000-1500 rounds through it and still under 3 year warranty, so will see what Edgar Bros will do about it (assuming its them) Seems it will be out of action for a little while longer yet Admiral Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 I'd try to get your money back and buy a Baikal MP153! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Von Tirpitz Posted April 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 I'd try to get your money back and buy a Baikal MP153! Might be an idea - Are the MP153s semi autos then?? Have never heard of them, but I love the Baikals I have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 It's a 3.5" chambered (I think) auto. It has a little valve in it that you can set to light or heavy so it will cycle everything reliably. Supposedly they are very good although I've never used one. They certainly get better reviews that the Hatstand! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stumacher Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 i hear price of scrap metal is high at the minute! only joking good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo2005 Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 Never had one but my mate have um there only use plastic wads in these and to problems up too press ps, you can get a secornd hand beretta for the same price of a new escort :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rigwallet Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 ive got escort and had jamming problems real bad but was told not to oil it as you were not to and buy chance went into a new gunshop where i live and had my gun with me as i was goin to ex it far some other gun being honest i told him about it jammin he asked if i had oiled it to which i said i was told not to he sais rubbish and got some spray type oil in a can and sprayed all the parts down port where you put cartridge and the lot since then its jammed twice in about 700 cartridges evry 100 cartridges i strip it and the spring and internal parts are oiley which i wipe dry and use very fine hemery cloth to move any carbon deposits try it mate its like a new gun fantastic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh warrior Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 get a franchi best semi i ever had and got ...just got past the 1000 shot mark not a single jam and works well on 21g clay shells Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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