Silverballer Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 I sent off my application form but wasn't able to provide a counter signatory, but I put this not in the envelope Note: I have not provided a counter signatory as I am finding it hard to provide one as I am not employed and haven't been a member of a shooting club for 2 years. I regurlarly go clay shooting so have good reason for possession of a shotgun certificate as it would save me money on gun hire and also would allow me to get consistent with one particular shotgun. I asked my former college lecturers to sign the counter signatory but refused as he said he couldn't because of his line of work (education) he said he would have otherwise. I am very passionate about clay shooting so would like you to consider granting me the certificate and I have provided details of my local gp if you need to speak with them. Only previous convictions I have are speeding. Also based on the fact that I haven't been able to provide a counter signatory if nessecary could you consider restricting me to a smaller calibre shotgun, like a .410 for example if you have to. Also if you want contact details of shooting clubs that I attend or have previously attended I'm sure they can vouch for me regarding my competance of handling a firearm. I regurlarly attend a clay shooting club, but surely not everyone can find someone important to sign their licence, can the police restrict the caliber to .410, to be honest I only want it to buy certain types of shotgun shells for the time being so can they restrict it only for sale of shotgun cartridges? Not trying to be big headed but I've heard that with an SGC the police have a right to grant you it unless they can prove you're a danger to the public and since I only want it for getting ammo at the moment and then maybe a .410 later surely they can come to an agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 You can't find ANYONE who's not related to you who's known you for 2 years? I don't mean to be rude but the *numpty altert* is going to go off at the police station when they read that. How do you think it looks when people can't fill in a simple form properly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shade695 Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 when I applied to the Strathclyde Police they lost! (misplaced) my counter signatory form which I myself had to print out another copy and have it resigned by my local MSP, so correct me if I'm wrong it is a valid neccesary part of the application! for weeks on end before I was known at my local shooting ground I was unable to shoot clays as no one knew me or would take the chance (I guess) to allow me to shoot with them, I realise they were not being completely ignorant, but in todays light who can you trust obviously not a complete stranger, just an opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 I sent off my application form but wasn't able to provide a counter signatory, but I put this not in the envelope Note: I have not provided a counter signatory as I am finding it hard to provide one as I am not employed and haven't been a member of a shooting club for 2 years. I regularly go clay shooting so have good reason for possession of a shotgun certificate as it would save me money on gun hire and also would allow me to get consistent with one particular shotgun. I asked my former college lecturers to sign the counter signatory but refused as he said he couldn't because of his line of work (education) he said he would have otherwise. I am very passionate about clay shooting so would like you to consider granting me the certificate and I have provided details of my local gp if you need to speak with them. Only previous convictions I have are speeding. Also based on the fact that I haven't been able to provide a counter signatory if necessary could you consider restricting me to a smaller calibre shotgun, like a .410 for example if you have to. Also if you want contact details of shooting clubs that I attend or have previously attended I'm sure they can vouch for me regarding my competence of handling a firearm. I regularly attend a clay shooting club, but surely not everyone can find someone important to sign their licence, can the police restrict the calibre to .410, to be honest I only want it to buy certain types of shotgun shells for the time being so can they restrict it only for sale of shotgun cartridges? Not trying to be big headed but I've heard that with an SGC the police have a right to grant you it unless they can prove you're a danger to the public and since I only want it for getting ammo at the moment and then maybe a .410 later surely they can come to an agreement. I think if i was in your shoes I'd have spoke to the feo before putting that little lot in writing A refusal can go against you, a word with the feo wont, may be it's about time you made some friends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 You go clay shooting, but are asking for a .410 certificate. If you cannot have a larger bore gun, why would they treat a smaller calibre less seriously? You ask for a certificate to buy shells for a gun you don't possess or use. Your college lecturer has declined to be a countersignatory - why? It appears he just doesn't want to. You say you are finding it hard to find someone, but fall short of saying it is impossible. Try harder. You need to provide a counter signatory. If you can't, you will not succeed. In the meanwhile, I will plait some sawdust whilst juggling soot, if you are genuine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverballer Posted July 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 I think if i was in your shoes I'd have spoke to the feo before putting that little lot in writing A refusal can go against you, a word with the feo wont, may be it's about time you made some friends And by friends you mean lawyers, members of parliament, doctor's, teacher's, etc etc I dont mean to be rude but I'm 19 years old!, I have friends and as you can probably guess they're either at college, unemployed, have a job at good old maccy d's and I'm sure as hell don't have any lawyer friends. I know this Isn't the US and even handing out a shotgun is rigorously procedured, but how many lawyers and mp's did you know at the age of 19? a good deal of shooters are middle aged and old but a good deal are also younger and the police should take that into consideration. I wish I lived in the states so I could just walk into walmart and get a long gun hassle free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 I think you need to read the notes on countersignatories more closely, as you haven't read them very well so far. Still interested in why someone would want to buy .410 shells without the gun to use them in. If you have use of a .410 whilst in the owner's company, they could buy them. You won't find many .410s at a clay shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverballer Posted July 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 I would buy 12 gauge, and hire 12 gauge at the site, but want the certificate to purchase certain ammo that the site doesn't have. But I did read in quite alot of places that the police will grant you the sgc unless they believe you pose a danger to the public and that they can prove this, can you explain this? I know that with an FAC its much more stricter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 You evade a direct question almost professionally. You need to do your homework. The Police have to prove nothing. You can't or won't fill in a valid application - end of case. They don't need to lift a finger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED BEARD Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 i think what folks are trying to tell you mr baller is,it doesn't matter if you think the forms are right or wrong-you have to fill it in how they've asked,because if not your wasting yours and their time(and also your money). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverballer Posted July 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 Well I guess the worse that can happen is that I can get my money back, but its quite frustrating when you do a sport and its hard to get your own equipment, unlike a golfer getting a golf club etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 What about a parent of a friend? Not sure if they will be suitable or not? As others have said though, I really would have phoned the FEO and discussed it with him/her rather than waffling on about lower calibre guns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSS Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 You must know someone who owns a business? Local pub landlord or somthing? Christ man, why didnt you ask before you sent it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silpig5 Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 You must know someone who owns a business? Local pub landlord or somthing?Christ man, why didnt you ask before you sent it! even a director of a ltd company would do , large or small buisness. , your local gp , postmaster, bank manager. think you have shot yourself in the foot mate , a refusal will only hinder your next application when you get your head together. good luck , i think you may need it. p.s. on reflection , if you have been at the club for a number of years , why cant club captain sign ?? or surly there is a worthy person at the club who would sign ? alarm bells are ringing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lez325 Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 Well I guess the worse that can happen is that I can get my money back, but its quite frustrating when you do a sport and its hard to get your own equipment, unlike a golfer getting a golf club etc Yes - but golf clubs were not used in recent firearms related murders where they?? Les Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverballer Posted July 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 Nope, I haven't been at a club for at least 2 years, none of my friends have business's and only possible person I can think of is my local gp, so if they resend it I can put him down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silpig5 Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 Nope, I haven't been at a club for at least 2 years, none of my friends have business's and only possible person I can think of is my local gp, so if they resend it I can put him down. speak to your gp , if all is ok with him phone your fire arms office and request a visit to amend your forms . face to face with you fao you might be able to get a straighter answer from him . he will guide you through all relavent questions . if after that he is not convinced , be prepaired to take up golf for next 5 years or more . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverballer Posted July 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 Yes - but golf clubs were not used in recent firearms related murders where they?? Les Nope but the London bombings killed more people than all 3 massacres with legally owned weapons, but you can't ban bombs now can you? If I ever get the chance to move to the USA (an open carry state) I will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverballer Posted July 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 God damn I hate golf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 IMO they will just return the forms as incomplete as a counter signatory is a requirement. They probably wont even bank the cheque. but the advice above is right, the police will be scrutinising applications very hard at the moment and unusual requests for restrcted sgc's(i dont think this is possible) will probably not go down well. my advice is to get down to a club and sit tight until you can get a reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 And by friends you mean lawyers, members of parliament, doctor's, teacher's, etc etc Any person of good standing better if they have their name on public records, what do you neighbours do for a living? do you get on with them? were you in the boy scouts? do you know your local councillors? etc etc I don't mean to be rude but I'm 19 years old! I already had my sgc at 19, my nephew had his at 12, (he's now 15) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 (edited) Well I guess the worse that can happen is that I can get my money back, but its quite frustrating when you do a sport and its hard to get your own equipment, unlike a golfer getting a golf club etc No the worst that can happen is they refuse your sgc and inform the clay club that you shoot about at, who may no longer let you shoot there all depending on the section 11 stuff which i can't remember off the top of me head my advice is to get down to a club and sit tight until you can get a reference. :( Golf is such a waste Edited July 20, 2010 by Paul223 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leonp9lbw Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 (edited) Being 19 aint an excuse mate. You will find that in life if you can not even fill out an application form correctly you will not get anything and that includes joining a golf club to getting a job. If in doubt ask someone or get some help! Edited July 20, 2010 by leonp9lbw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 Nope but the London bombings killed more people than all 3 massacres with legally owned weapons, but you can't ban bombs now can you? If I ever get the chance to move to the USA (an open carry state) I will. No offence mate, but you sound a bit mental in that statement. 1/ I'm pretty sure bombs/ bomb making/ having a collection of bomb making materials is illegal. 2/ what bearing does "being openly able to carry a firearm" have on your current shotgun application? sounds a lot to me like "look at me I've got a gun" rather than actually having one for a purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leonp9lbw Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 (edited) Edited July 20, 2010 by leonp9lbw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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