advice needed on scopes

[sticko]

hi all in the market for another 22lr and scope (probably cz thumbhole) but unsure of which scope to go for ;ihave a 4-16 x50 mtc viper on my cz american and find the optics clear but want a different scope on the 2nd rifle.do i go second hand or new 'spoken to a gunsmith today he recomends optimate 3-9x50 to be the best but his story changes daily as to whats in stock /have owned most of the hawke range and to be honest thought they are overated and eye relief to slow have read a lot on this forum about s&b and leupold and zeiss every gun shop you speak to has the best scope made (well they would say that any way) just cant seem to come to middle ground and i have never looked or used s&B ZEISS leupold and swarks before so am some what in the dark (excuse the pun ) your opinions and experience would be much appreciated .forgot to mention mainly used for rabbits /lamping

 

many thanks in advance pete

[stubby]

buy a pulsar pete, you know you want too :look:

[sticko]

buy a pulsar pete, you know you want too :look:

will you lend me the £999 please steve lol

[Paddy Galore!]

there is no comparison with hawke and the other makes you mentioned, hawkes are made to a budget for the mass market, this is reflected in the price, personally if i had the spare reddies, then i'd have a s&b or a zeiss, but under the lamp there isn't much in it as the eyes light up any old scope would do.

As for edgar bros optimate, a big resounding yes to them, i have 2, a 6x44 on my semi, and an opti 42 10x44 on my 22/250, both are quite good, very clear, and reasonably cheap for a jap made scope.

[Paddy Galore!]

You did mention leupold, don't forget weaver or bushnell, all very good quality american glass and can be had a bit cheaper than some of the european stuff. You may also want to consider a fixed p/x scope? saves time not focusing in, especially with a lamp.

[inthedark]

there is no comparison with hawke and the other makes you mentioned, hawkes are made to a budget for the mass market, this is reflected in the price, personally if i had the spare reddies, then i'd have a s&b or a zeiss, but under the lamp there isn't much in it as the eyes light up any old scope would do.

As for edgar bros optimate, a big resounding yes to them, i have 2, a 6x44 on my semi, and an opti 42 10x44 on my 22/250, both are quite good, very clear, and reasonably cheap for a jap made scope.

 

Like the man says mate, 6 x 44 E.B., plenty good enough. Anything Leopold plus will be a bit overkill ish, but if you like it, why not? ....

[sticko]

Like the man says mate, 6 x 44 E.B., plenty good enough. Anything Leopold plus will be a bit overkill ish, but if you like it, why not? ....

thanks for all the responce all picked up the new gun yesterday opted for the cz thumbhole 22lr and took your advice on scop choice and went for the opti 3-12 x52 after looking through many scopes including s&b of wich i hav eto say i was not that impressed with the optical clarity but when looking through the opti all ican say is wow well impressed left the zoom on 8 mag zeroed in at 50 yards quick run over the golf course and three bunnies met their maker within 20 minuets will try and get out lamping over the weekend to try her out over the lamp thanks all once again

[kent]

If you were not impressed by the S+Bender might i suggest you try one focused correctly to your eye on a dummy gun or live one. Optimate aint bad but tend to have issues if you dial in compensations (not likely lamping) after a relitively short time they start doing thier own thing, so don't do too much twiddling if you can possibly avoid it

[sticko]

If you were not impressed by the S+Bender might i suggest you try one focused correctly to your eye on a dummy gun or live one. Optimate aint bad but tend to have issues if you dial in compensations (not likely lamping) after a relitively short time they start doing thier own thing, so don't do too much twiddling if you can possibly avoid it

hi the s&b i tried was focused to my eye and was only a 6x 42 fixed parallax not wishing to upset s&b owners i should have said this was a used scope and was purely my opinion of the scope Could you please explain about dialing in compensation on the optimate as i donot understand what you mean (this is purley out of interst by the way not meanig to rub any one up the wrong way ) as my new scope is a fixed parralax thanks advice pete

[Paddy Galore!]

Could you please explain about dialing in compensation on the optimate as i donot understand what you mean

rather than hold over, some people like to adjust their scopes instead. not something you need to worry about with a .22lr as it's effective useable range is only around 150yds, some like to push it further, i've done it myself, but i still find it much easier to aim over the top of the target for longer range targets.

[Dekers]

Scopes get personal, and my personal opinion is stick to a SIMILAR reticule in them all, but perhaps invest a little more on centrefire scopes!

 

I have 7 different FAC tools and it is hard enough to remember zeros, drop, energy etc without having to **** about with different scopes as well!!

 

ATB!

[kent]

rather than hold over, some people like to adjust their scopes instead. not something you need to worry about with a .22lr as it's effective useable range is only around 150yds, some like to push it further, i've done it myself, but i still find it much easier to aim over the top of the target for longer range targets.

What?!!!!!!!!!! Do i read this correctly 150yds no correction? Nope a std sub requires around 6-8 MOA at 100 yds from a normal 50-60yds zero, 150 a lot more std 10 mph windage is 4 moa. Think about it how can you call shots holding over and most likely with wind aswell at 150yds your looking at around a foot over the top of a rabbits head as a wild guess ( ithink 150 way too far for ethical shooting with .22) and windage also

 

Yes winding in the correct dope from your data sheet or known trajectory.

[sticko]

whoops ive upset the clan the scope i use on my other 22is a xmas tree in the form of an mtc viper and find it ok hold over for 100 yds is 2 milldots(lines ) of which is as far as i want to shoot .forget the ballistic charts in the dark this is hard to judge As previously mentioned a scope is a personal choice as we are all over the age of 21 (lol) and our eyes all respond differently and scopes will vary in make and the mao of which they are zerod

[Paddy Galore!]

whoops ive upset the clan the scope i use on my other 22is a xmas tree in the form of an mtc viper and find it ok hold over for 100 yds is 2 milldots(lines ) of which is as far as i want to shoot .forget the ballistic charts in the dark this is hard to judge As previously mentioned a scope is a personal choice as we are all over the age of 21 (lol) and our eyes all respond differently and scopes will vary in make and the mao of which they are zerod

hi chap, not upset the clan at all, occaisionally you'll get the odd over reaction on here but who cares?

in all seriousness, i zero my 22lr at about 80yds, sometimes further, and have taken a few bunnies out at over 150yds with plenty of hold over, it's all down to practice and getting familiar with the rifle, learning its capabilities, and a 22lr sub will still kill a rabbit at over 100yds.

atb,

gram.