kent Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 Considering getting a Ten for fowling and looking for advice from those with real experiance of them. As it will be very much a second gun to my 31/2" Auto i don't want to spend mega bucks so am looking at something like a used s/side as i will be using non toxic i assume i will still be needing half choke or less? It will be pre-steel proof days so i can still use most stuff as long as the choke is considered yes? As regards chamber length i assume there might be some shorter ones i am best avoiding? As i say more a want than a need but always fancied dropping a goose or two with one of the big guns, if it were to be my primary gun i should prob just buy another modern auto proofed for anything i can buy but thats not the point i can do that with the 3 1/2 12G. Thinking a good heavy side by side, prob spend a lot of time in the safe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 the right 10 will make your 3.5" very obsolete very quickly. if you dont already reload, when you get the gun is the time to start. you`ll be able to push steel and most nontoxic fast and hard. it`ll be expensive, as a dedicated fowl gun, then it will be expensive to run, (reloading is cheaper than buying nontox.) it wouldnt supprise me if it was 30-35p a shell. i`ve looked at a few recipes and its do-able. but for that cost, you`ll be able to use big loads, big shotsizes, big performance. dedicated goose gun ! check out this... http://www.duckhuntingchat.com/forum/viewt...14&t=120967 - the penultimate load, shooting cranes at 100yards with tungsten ! i think you`ll be able to push big steel shot 1800fps.... good luck reloading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakin stevens Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 If you have the cash buy an english gun with a 3.5 chamber nice tolley on guntrader at the moment no good for steel loads but with care itx and itm goes ok, and the moment these old guns are making more money than a savings account, and very nice feeling to shoot a goose with an old gun over a hundred years old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 If you intend to shoot high duck and geese, you can forget low, fast and close teal, and nothing else, then a 10 is worth thinking about since it handles big shot extremely well and a suitably loaded 10, held straight, will significantly outperform any 12g. The problem however, is twofold. The ammunition is expensive no matter how you obtain it and, starting at about 9lbs, the weight distribution and handling characteristics will be so different from anything else that you`ve shot that you will miss significantly more than you hit until you become familiar with how it shoots. Most people I know who have been seduced by the 10 have given up on it after a few seasons because their shoulder hurts from carrying the thing about, and their bag is significantly lighter than it was before. If you do stick with it and master maximum range 10g shooting, a process that might take up to a couple of seasons, depending on how much you use it, then they can be devastatingly effective. If you`re one of those persistent types with a strong back and deep pockets, and you do master the 10, then good luck to you. Otherwise I`d say, don`t bother, they can be an expensive distraction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 If you`re one of those persistent types with a strong back and deep pockets, and you do master the 10, then good luck to you. Otherwise I`d say, don`t bother, they can be an expensive distraction. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 Suppose i should be clearer - have no intrest in shooting duck with a ten i can do that with my twelves and can also do geese. As also stated don't want to spend mega bucks seen few £300-£500, don't want an antique as investment as i don't believe any gun like this should be held prisoner in a safe. Wouldn't mind paying for the ammo as it won't be wasted, am interested in reloading as a keen handloader of rifles but never shotshells so it will give me something to learn. It would be fun to use it at one or two big bore shoots held by various wildfowling clubs and i sort of like the thought of a dedicated Goose slayer. Can anyone answer some of my questions as regards choking, chambers etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 get the biggest chamber you can, as with chokes, thats a whole can o worms. especially when t and f shotsizes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 Most of the older sxs 10 bores i've seen are fixed choke, usually fairly tight too. 3/4 and full chokes seem to be the norm. Even if you had the chokes taken out to say 1/2 i doubt they'd handle steel very well. Obviously there are alternative non-tox options, but a lot dearer. 3 1/2" chambers seem to be the standard. There seems to be a few modern o/u 10's on the market, which are probably more than capable of handling steel loads, and bought secondhand would probably fit your price range. John Forsey's might be a good place to contact as they specialise in 'fowling guns and cartridges. He's usually got a few 10's for sale on his website too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakin stevens Posted August 29, 2010 Report Share Posted August 29, 2010 Suppose i should be clearer - have no intrest in shooting duck with a ten i can do that with my twelves and can also do geese. As also stated don't want to spend mega bucks seen few £300-£500, don't want an antique as investment as i don't believe any gun like this should be held prisoner in a safe. Wouldn't mind paying for the ammo as it won't be wasted, am interested in reloading as a keen handloader of rifles but never shotshells so it will give me something to learn. It would be fun to use it at one or two big bore shoots held by various wildfowling clubs and i sort of like the thought of a dedicated Goose slayer. Can anyone answer some of my questions as regards choking, chambers etc? get yourself on gun trader 35 10s for sale at the moment even a double spanish 8bore for your price range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted August 30, 2010 Report Share Posted August 30, 2010 I considered a 10g auto a couple of years ago. Decided against it for reasons already mentioned, practicing with it could be costly as it does take time to get used to a differant gun. I invested in some decent 3'' & 3.5'' 12g cartridges instead Wouldn't mind giving the new Remington Hypersonic Steel cartridges a go http://www.remington.com/products/ammuniti...onic-steel.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2010 (edited) I considered a 10g auto a couple of years ago. Decided against it for reasons already mentioned, practicing with it could be costly as it does take time to get used to a differant gun. I invested in some decent 3'' & 3.5'' 12g cartridges instead Wouldn't mind giving the new Remington Hypersonic Steel cartridges a go http://www.remington.com/products/ammuniti...onic-steel.aspx yeah, so far i havent been happy with patterens from 3 1/2 shells tested but as said more a want than a need- I know i can kill em with the super mag 12g or even std 2 3/4" gun for that matter Blow me down them hypersonic are fast! can we get them through Uk proof testing though for import ? Edited August 30, 2010 by kent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsm1968 Posted August 30, 2010 Report Share Posted August 30, 2010 I bought one on here, a great gun to have. There was one recently advertised for about £300, well worth a look at. Ammo is available at about £27 for a box of 25 steel. Or go to the top and get tungsten for £50 for 10.(mine came with a few hundred carts.!) Realisticaly you are going to shoot it so little that reloading kit would take years to pay back, so factory ammo would be fine. I like it just " 'cos I like it!". You have to do everything once in life, so go for it. At £300 - 500, you'll always get your money back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2010 I bought one on here, a great gun to have. There was one recently advertised for about £300, well worth a look at. Ammo is available at about £27 for a box of 25 steel. Or go to the top and get tungsten for £50 for 10.(mine came with a few hundred carts.!) Realisticaly you are going to shoot it so little that reloading kit would take years to pay back, so factory ammo would be fine. I like it just " 'cos I like it!". You have to do everything once in life, so go for it. At £300 - 500, you'll always get your money back. Haha nearly my thoughts to the T not sure about trying everything at least once in life though, some things i don't even want to think of let alone actually do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 Haha nearly my thoughts to the T not sure about trying everything at least once in life though, some things i don't even want to think of let alone actually do if you ask your local friends to help you reload, you can reload very cheaply, and have uber performance. some of the recipes i`ve seen is 1,1/4 oz of T at 1800fps. that is a monster load. there is nothing going to get away from a good belt with that load. if i shot canadas exclusively i`d have done it years ago. the costs for reloading is as follows 50-55 grains of alliant steel. (20p) wad 3p primer 2p hull 5p steel shot 8p 38p a shot at the most. (that cost is the most expensive it will cost.) forget the reloading press for the moment, you can weigh and roll turn the cartridge, i`d also recomend a mylar wrap for the biggest shot. so 40p a shot. that is cheap and will outperform any comercial steel load. if you buy 500 wads, sell what you dont use, recoup some costs.. i`m helping someone try and get their 10 running again. the cost of tungsten crippled them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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