snipe Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 I know it's not going to help me hit more, before we get into that one!!! Just curious as to the speed of game loads and what the fastest on the market is? Say for a 32grm load, fibre preferably. I can see the clay loads with gamebore at 1500fps for white and black gold, but can't see any charts for the game loads? Do the game loads reach these speeds too? Thanks, Snipe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 I use Express 28g ,# 5 doing 1500fps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 usually game loads are slower, but now hard magnum shot is used. speeds should be 1400-1500 thats fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COACH Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 Most game loads are a little slower at around 1375/1400 but there are some out there at 1500fps. You usually get a better pattern though with a slightly slower cartridge and of course there`s less recoil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 pigeon loads are often a clue to the lighter game loads. no point in using a massive cartridge for high volume small targets. i say you cant go wrong with a 1250-1300fps load. as said before, speed isnt the main consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 Express Supreme Game run out at a quoted 1400 fps MV. About as fast as any premium game load available. Game loads will usually be slower than clay competition loads for a number of reasons. Usually they are fibre ( not too any places you can use a PWad game load because of litter considerations, animal ingestion etc), and fibre typically run 50 fps slower than an equivalent PWad because the gas seal is not as good - or a premium bio wad like some felt based ones needs to be used and that ups the price / 1000. Also, game shot is softer - lower antinomy, as its intented to deform on impact with the quarry and cause internal trauma to guarantee a kill from less pellets than hard / high antinomy comp carts that may just pass through causing wounding without death. Clays break because they are brittle and the energy transfer of a hard pellet shatters them, birds/wabbits die because of internal trauma to the organs and nervous system and if the pellet flattens this damage is greater per pellet than it is from spherical ones. Soft pellets also distort more in the barrel, and therefore have more airborne drag and will loose velocity quicker than perfect spheres. Cartridge manufacturers know their stuff, and they produce game cartridges to be effective - and the ideal formulas for the components that give the highest kill ratios are not the best component mix for pure speed. Lastly, or course, clay loads are lighter, 28g or less - so if the powder is loaded to the chamber pressure max of proofing there is more energy available per pellet - pushing it faster. Once the powder load is up to the chamber limit, the more the pellet total wt is, the slower the over-all load will run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigger Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 I use Black Gold 32g for driven birds they are the best i have ever used by a long shot never get any runners thats for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snipe Posted September 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2010 Thanks for all this, much appreciated, and thanks for that hugely insightful post clayman. I have usually opted for the RC sipes, which I love. However, I do fancy trying the Gambore Black Gold, as people to rave about them. Anyone tried both and can draw any comparisons? I'm sure that they're both great. Thanks, Snipe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted September 24, 2010 Report Share Posted September 24, 2010 Express Supreme Game run out at a quoted 1400 fps MV. About as fast as any premium game load available. Game loads will usually be slower than clay competition loads for a number of reasons. Usually they are fibre ( not too any places you can use a PWad game load because of litter considerations, animal ingestion etc), and fibre typically run 50 fps slower than an equivalent PWad because the gas seal is not as good - or a premium bio wad like some felt based ones needs to be used and that ups the price / 1000. Also, game shot is softer - lower antinomy, as its intented to deform on impact with the quarry and cause internal trauma to guarantee a kill from less pellets than hard / high antinomy comp carts that may just pass through causing wounding without death. Clays break because they are brittle and the energy transfer of a hard pellet shatters them, birds/wabbits die because of internal trauma to the organs and nervous system and if the pellet flattens this damage is greater per pellet than it is from spherical ones. Soft pellets also distort more in the barrel, and therefore have more airborne drag and will loose velocity quicker than perfect spheres. Cartridge manufacturers know their stuff, and they produce game cartridges to be effective - and the ideal formulas for the components that give the highest kill ratios are not the best component mix for pure speed. Lastly, or course, clay loads are lighter, 28g or less - so if the powder is loaded to the chamber pressure max of proofing there is more energy available per pellet - pushing it faster. Once the powder load is up to the chamber limit, the more the pellet total wt is, the slower the over-all load will run. +1 you know your stuff. its not good to push soft lead pellets at higher speeds, usually it doesnt pattern at all. as all the shot is deformed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted September 24, 2010 Report Share Posted September 24, 2010 fiocci golden pheasant are over 1500 I think. I want to say they are 1525 quoted, but don't remember for sure. I stick to 1200-1300 range and heavier payloads. Thanks, Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingmike Posted September 24, 2010 Report Share Posted September 24, 2010 I've no idea what the speeds are but I can vouch that the Gamebore black gold are an absolutely devastating cartridge that seem to have no limits no matter how far they're pushed. Used on decoy wary pigeons they just pluck them out of the sky and some really testing ranges. Cracking cartridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted September 24, 2010 Report Share Posted September 24, 2010 Express Supreme Game run out at a quoted 1400 fps MV. About as fast as any premium game load available. Game loads will usually be slower than clay competition loads for a number of reasons. Usually they are fibre ( not too any places you can use a PWad game load because of litter considerations, animal ingestion etc), and fibre typically run 50 fps slower than an equivalent PWad because the gas seal is not as good - or a premium bio wad like some felt based ones needs to be used and that ups the price / 1000. Also, game shot is softer - lower antinomy, as its intented to deform on impact with the quarry and cause internal trauma to guarantee a kill from less pellets than hard / high antinomy comp carts that may just pass through causing wounding without death. Clays break because they are brittle and the energy transfer of a hard pellet shatters them, birds/wabbits die because of internal trauma to the organs and nervous system and if the pellet flattens this damage is greater per pellet than it is from spherical ones. Soft pellets also distort more in the barrel, and therefore have more airborne drag and will loose velocity quicker than perfect spheres. Cartridge manufacturers know their stuff, and they produce game cartridges to be effective - and the ideal formulas for the components that give the highest kill ratios are not the best component mix for pure speed. Lastly, or course, clay loads are lighter, 28g or less - so if the powder is loaded to the chamber pressure max of proofing there is more energy available per pellet - pushing it faster. Once the powder load is up to the chamber limit, the more the pellet total wt is, the slower the over-all load will run. This would explain my questions( on another post) about kent comp no6's hitting birds and the birds to keep going only to drop dead a hundred yards or more,it all makes sense now. A harder shot would explain this, its still a mistery why a kent 30gram no 6 is in a box marked as a comp cartridges, must be imports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune82 Posted September 24, 2010 Report Share Posted September 24, 2010 If you go on just cartridges they are selling RC game cartridges ( RC 4 I think) which claim to be the fastest game cartridge on sale in the UK. Ive used RC SIPE before which are good. Having said that the best cartridge I have ever used is Express Special Game 28 gram no.6. I have killed birds stone dead at ranges I thought were beyond a shotgun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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