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I know it's not going to help me hit more, before we get into that one!!! :blush:

 

Just curious as to the speed of game loads and what the fastest on the market is? Say for a 32grm load, fibre preferably.

 

I can see the clay loads with gamebore at 1500fps for white and black gold, but can't see any charts for the game loads? Do the game loads reach these speeds too?

 

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pigeon loads are often a clue to the lighter game loads.

no point in using a massive cartridge for high volume small targets.

 

i say you cant go wrong with a 1250-1300fps load. as said before, speed isnt the main consideration.

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Express Supreme Game run out at a quoted 1400 fps MV. About as fast as any premium game load available.

 

Game loads will usually be slower than clay competition loads for a number of reasons.

 

Usually they are fibre ( not too any places you can use a PWad game load because of litter considerations, animal ingestion etc), and fibre typically run 50 fps slower than an equivalent PWad because the gas seal is not as good - or a premium bio wad like some felt based ones needs to be used and that ups the price / 1000.

 

Also, game shot is softer - lower antinomy, as its intented to deform on impact with the quarry and cause internal trauma to guarantee a kill from less pellets than hard / high antinomy comp carts that may just pass through causing wounding without death. Clays break because they are brittle and the energy transfer of a hard pellet shatters them, birds/wabbits die because of internal trauma to the organs and nervous system and if the pellet flattens this damage is greater per pellet than it is from spherical ones. Soft pellets also distort more in the barrel, and therefore have more airborne drag and will loose velocity quicker than perfect spheres.

 

Cartridge manufacturers know their stuff, and they produce game cartridges to be effective - and the ideal formulas for the components that give the highest kill ratios are not the best component mix for pure speed.

 

Lastly, or course, clay loads are lighter, 28g or less - so if the powder is loaded to the chamber pressure max of proofing there is more energy available per pellet - pushing it faster. Once the powder load is up to the chamber limit, the more the pellet total wt is, the slower the over-all load will run.

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Thanks for all this, much appreciated, and thanks for that hugely insightful post clayman. :good:

 

I have usually opted for the RC sipes, which I love. However, I do fancy trying the Gambore Black Gold, as people to rave about them. Anyone tried both and can draw any comparisons? I'm sure that they're both great.

 

Thanks,

 

Snipe.

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Express Supreme Game run out at a quoted 1400 fps MV. About as fast as any premium game load available.

 

Game loads will usually be slower than clay competition loads for a number of reasons.

 

Usually they are fibre ( not too any places you can use a PWad game load because of litter considerations, animal ingestion etc), and fibre typically run 50 fps slower than an equivalent PWad because the gas seal is not as good - or a premium bio wad like some felt based ones needs to be used and that ups the price / 1000.

 

Also, game shot is softer - lower antinomy, as its intented to deform on impact with the quarry and cause internal trauma to guarantee a kill from less pellets than hard / high antinomy comp carts that may just pass through causing wounding without death. Clays break because they are brittle and the energy transfer of a hard pellet shatters them, birds/wabbits die because of internal trauma to the organs and nervous system and if the pellet flattens this damage is greater per pellet than it is from spherical ones. Soft pellets also distort more in the barrel, and therefore have more airborne drag and will loose velocity quicker than perfect spheres.

 

Cartridge manufacturers know their stuff, and they produce game cartridges to be effective - and the ideal formulas for the components that give the highest kill ratios are not the best component mix for pure speed.

 

Lastly, or course, clay loads are lighter, 28g or less - so if the powder is loaded to the chamber pressure max of proofing there is more energy available per pellet - pushing it faster. Once the powder load is up to the chamber limit, the more the pellet total wt is, the slower the over-all load will run.

 

+1 you know your stuff.

 

its not good to push soft lead pellets at higher speeds, usually it doesnt pattern at all. as all the shot is deformed.

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Express Supreme Game run out at a quoted 1400 fps MV. About as fast as any premium game load available.

 

Game loads will usually be slower than clay competition loads for a number of reasons.

 

Usually they are fibre ( not too any places you can use a PWad game load because of litter considerations, animal ingestion etc), and fibre typically run 50 fps slower than an equivalent PWad because the gas seal is not as good - or a premium bio wad like some felt based ones needs to be used and that ups the price / 1000.

 

Also, game shot is softer - lower antinomy, as its intented to deform on impact with the quarry and cause internal trauma to guarantee a kill from less pellets than hard / high antinomy comp carts that may just pass through causing wounding without death. Clays break because they are brittle and the energy transfer of a hard pellet shatters them, birds/wabbits die because of internal trauma to the organs and nervous system and if the pellet flattens this damage is greater per pellet than it is from spherical ones. Soft pellets also distort more in the barrel, and therefore have more airborne drag and will loose velocity quicker than perfect spheres.

 

Cartridge manufacturers know their stuff, and they produce game cartridges to be effective - and the ideal formulas for the components that give the highest kill ratios are not the best component mix for pure speed.

 

Lastly, or course, clay loads are lighter, 28g or less - so if the powder is loaded to the chamber pressure max of proofing there is more energy available per pellet - pushing it faster. Once the powder load is up to the chamber limit, the more the pellet total wt is, the slower the over-all load will run.

 

This would explain my questions( on another post) about kent comp no6's hitting birds and the birds to keep going only to drop dead a hundred yards or more,it all makes sense now. A harder shot would explain this, its still a mistery why a kent 30gram no 6 is in a box marked as a comp cartridges, must be imports.

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If you go on just cartridges they are selling RC game cartridges ( RC 4 I think) which claim to be the fastest game cartridge on sale in the UK. Ive used RC SIPE before which are good. Having said that the best cartridge I have ever used is Express Special Game 28 gram no.6.

 

I have killed birds stone dead at ranges I thought were beyond a shotgun.

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