.222?

[Dekers]

Thanks for the help Ian! There seems to be quite a few people who say the quality has gone down hill since beretta took over both companies.

 

How accurate do you want...ask any T3 Owner what they think of the accuracy of their chosen calibre!!

 

Cheers for that! I have to say I didn't think about the twist rates but I was only thinking about it if the gun eventually needed a new barrel

 

Think about the breech and bolt, a .222 and .223 cart are not interchangeable...if you have to change barrel and action you would probably be as well just to buy a new rifle!

Edited October 9, 2010 by Dekers

[Vermincinerator]

Dekers,

222 and 223 rifles share the same action size and the same boltface so only the barrel will need to be changed

 

Ian.

[Dekers]

Dekers,

222 and 223 rifles share the same action size and the same boltface so only the barrel will need to be changed

 

Ian.

 

I'll put it down to an early start on the wine...of course they are!

[Mr_Logic]

I'm not a gunsmith so I'm not sure, but since 222 uses basically the same width of case but a longer neck, I would expect that the same barrel can be rechambered for 223 just by re-cutting with a 223 reamer.

[wildfowler.250]

Dekers,

222 and 223 rifles share the same action size and the same boltface so only the barrel will need to be changed

 

Ian.

 

 

I'm not a gunsmith so I'm not sure, but since 222 uses basically the same width of case but a longer neck, I would expect that the same barrel can be rechambered for 223 just by re-cutting with a 223 reamer.

 

Thanks for that guys! Good to know that if the gun gets shot out and I feel I need to change I can :unsure:

[wildfowler.250]

Dekers, I would expect at least a 1 inch group off a bipod at 100 yards (factory ammo). I am sure the T3 shoots well,(and if I don't pick up an older .222 that is what I will get) but I did pick a T3 up when I was looking for a .270 and it did feel fairly light/plasticy. I really just prefer a more solid gun :unsure:

 

 

ATB

[jamie g]

Dekers, I would expect at least a 1 inch group off a bipod at 100 yards (factory ammo). I am sure the T3 shoots well,(and if I don't pick up an older .222 that is what I will get) but I did pick a T3 up when I was looking for a .270 and it did feel fairly light/plasticy. I really just prefer a more solid gun :unsure:

 

 

ATB

 

]the m595 222 is very easy to load for. can get 5 shots into a 5 pence piece size hole if i do my bit with careful loading.

 

the actions are very smooth on them and trigger is good from the box also.

 

WHAT I WILL SAY IS IF YOU BUY A M590 OR M595 MAKE SURE THE MAG AND THE TRIGGER GUARD ARE NOT CRACKED.

 

as there not that easy to get hold of. they only crak when people do them up to tight

[wildfowler.250]

]the m595 222 is very easy to load for. can get 5 shots into a 5 pence piece size hole if i do my bit with careful loading.

 

the actions are very smooth on them and trigger is good from the box also.

 

WHAT I WILL SAY IS IF YOU BUY A M590 OR M595 MAKE SURE THE MAG AND THE TRIGGER GUARD ARE NOT CRACKED.

 

as there not that easy to get hold of. they only crak when people do them up to tight

 

Thanks for that bit of advice, I hadn't considered spare mags ect :unsure:

 

 

 

I don't suppose your selling yours any time soon?

 

 

 

ATB!

[jamie g]

sorry mate for what i paid for it it would be silly to let it go. beside its my old mans as i didnt have a slot at the time so we put it on his till i got my ticket back to have it on mine to.

 

there are some about just keep a eye out. dont be put off getting one in 223

[al4x]

Dekers, I would expect at least a 1 inch group off a bipod at 100 yards (factory ammo). I am sure the T3 shoots well,(and if I don't pick up an older .222 that is what I will get) but I did pick a T3 up when I was looking for a .270 and it did feel fairly light/plasticy. I really just prefer a more solid gun

 

 

ATB

 

 

you see if you'd picked up a heavy barreled T3 then you'd have thought it was heavy and plasticcy

 

I couldn't have a stock like that, my remi 700 has a Hogue moulded stock but it feels nice to the touch

[Lez325]

Thanks for that guys! Good to know that if the gun gets shot out and I feel I need to change I can

 

Yes I did - sorry, hope its working out for you Norrie- I just prefer the ammo selection I get for the 223 against the 222 and I only use it on Fox

 

Les

[Dekers]

Dekers, I would expect at least a 1 inch group off a bipod at 100 yards (factory ammo). I am sure the T3 shoots well,(and if I don't pick up an older .222 that is what I will get) but I did pick a T3 up when I was looking for a .270 and it did feel fairly light/plasticy. I really just prefer a more solid gun

 

 

ATB

 

 

From an accuracy point of view I struggle to believe that any of us mere mortals will notice any difference with any T3 model compared to the older units.

 

I can't deny that the T3 Lite does have a very light stock and has caused me massive balance problems as the butt is so light, this was eventually fixed after about 2 years of great effort/cost by the addition of around 150g of lead just inside the recoil pad, its the best of all my rifle now. But my T3 Hunter is great straight out of the box.

 

Accuracy wise the .222 has always had a good reputation, but a .222 or .223 should produce 1" at 100 yards without much problem, I can achieve that with cheap PRVI in my .223...and the question goes round...how good do you need it for field work?

 

ATB!!

 

Try a Hunter!

[Mr_Logic]

My Hunter is very nice to use, but hates the 50gr bullets, tried 52 Amax, 52 BTHP, 50 TNT, and all group to several inches. The 40s work nicely but are slow with the IMR 4198 load I used. The 55s are OK but not convinced they're completely stable.

[wildfowler.250]

you see if you'd picked up a heavy barreled T3 then you'd have thought it was heavy and plasticcy

 

I couldn't have a stock like that, my remi 700 has a Hogue moulded stock but it feels nice to the touch

 

I will say I realised when I was typing it I was sounding rather daft How do the Remingotns compaire accuracy wise to the tikkas? I have heard the trigger on them is pretty bad but apart from that do they need much tweaking to shoot well? And is the hogue stock bad for trapping dirt?

 

From an accuracy point of view I struggle to believe that any of us mere mortals will notice any difference with any T3 model compared to the older units.

 

I would agree with that. I just meant that it is nice to have something that feels a bit better made,(kind of like compairing a sako quad with a finnfire ).

 

I can't deny that the T3 Lite does have a very light stock and has caused me massive balance problems as the butt is so light, this was eventually fixed after about 2 years of great effort/cost by the addition of around 150g of lead just inside the recoil pad, its the best of all my rifle now. But my T3 Hunter is great straight out of the box.

 

I thought about this as well and I shoot 99% off a bipod so would the light stock be such an issue? I was also thinking the stock could possibly be replaced with a macmillan one,(although they are not cheap! )

 

Accuracy wise the .222 has always had a good reputation, but a .222 or .223 should produce 1" at 100 yards without much problem, I can achieve that with cheap PRVI in my .223...and the question goes round...how good do you need it for field work?

 

With cheap ammo that would do me fine!!

 

ATB!!

 

Try a Hunter!

 

 

My Hunter is very nice to use, but hates the 50gr bullets, tried 52 Amax, 52 BTHP, 50 TNT, and all group to several inches. The 40s work nicely but are slow with the IMR 4198 load I used. The 55s are OK but not convinced they're completely stable.

 

So what have you decided to stick with? I always assumed that the whole point of the 40's was a fast, flat bullet? I suppose if I was in a similar position I could shoot 40 grain and keep some 55grain for roe seperate with me and just learn the different point of aim

 

 

 

 

All the help has been really appreciated so far! thanks

[Mr_Logic]

The 55s are OK up close but if I was using the rifle for deer then I'd struggle tbh. In all honesty I may explore options as originally I did want to shoot the odd muntjac with it. Somewhat typical it doesn't like the bullet weight I want to use!

[al4x]

How do the Remingotns compaire accuracy wise to the tikkas? I have heard the trigger on them is pretty bad but apart from that do they need much tweaking to shoot well? And is the hogue stock bad for trapping dirt?

 

 

So what have you decided to stick with? I always assumed that the whole point of the 40's was a fast, flat bullet? I suppose if I was in a similar position I could shoot 40 grain and keep some 55grain for roe seperate with me and just learn the different point of aim

 

 

 

 

All the help has been really appreciated so far! thanks

 

 

have to say I really like my remi and it is a very accurate gun. But did have the stock and trigger done when I bought it, like a lot of things once word spreads round the internet things like bad triggers get reported for years after by people who have never used one. The nice thing with them is they are so easy to buy and fit aftermarket parts if you want to play about, that said they are pretty well reputed for shooting very well out of the box and with a reasonable price tag. I've the light barrel on mine and really as I don't target shoot wouldn't have anything else as its a light gun to carry and handles well. Personally I'd say its well worth looking at them as so far I've found it very unfussy ammo wise and reasonable to buy in the first place, I'll be getting another when I get a .243

[wildfowler.250]

have to say I really like my remi and it is a very accurate gun. But did have the stock and trigger done when I bought it, like a lot of things once word spreads round the internet things like bad triggers get reported for years after by people who have never used one. The nice thing with them is they are so easy to buy and fit aftermarket parts if you want to play about, that said they are pretty well reputed for shooting very well out of the box and with a reasonable price tag. I've the light barrel on mine and really as I don't target shoot wouldn't have anything else as its a light gun to carry and handles well. Personally I'd say its well worth looking at them as so far I've found it very unfussy ammo wise and reasonable to buy in the first place, I'll be getting another when I get a .243

 

So did you go for the sps and then buy a hogue stock? what trigger kit did you go for? (sorry for the twenty questions ).

 

I'm considering keeping it simple...just going for a tikka t3 lite (in which case it will be .223). I would have to know more about the remingtons before i purchased one and I prefer the wooden stocks over the sps,(would have to change that syntetic stock! ). I also like the look of the T3 varmint but I cant see any advantage in the extra weight once you add a moderator and a scope to it

 

 

 

ATB

[Dekers]

QUOTE (Dekers @ Oct 11 2010, 11:56 AM)

From an accuracy point of view I struggle to believe that any of us mere mortals will notice any difference with any T3 model compared to the older units.

 

I would agree with that. I just meant that it is nice to have something that feels a bit better made,(kind of like compairing a sako quad with a finnfire ).

 

I can't deny that the T3 Lite does have a very light stock and has caused me massive balance problems as the butt is so light, this was eventually fixed after about 2 years of great effort/cost by the addition of around 150g of lead just inside the recoil pad, its the best of all my rifle now. But my T3 Hunter is great straight out of the box.

 

I thought about this as well and I shoot 99% off a bipod so would the light stock be such an issue? I was also thinking the stock could possibly be replaced with a macmillan one,(although they are not cheap! )

 

Accuracy wise the .222 has always had a good reputation, but a .222 or .223 should produce 1" at 100 yards without much problem, I can achieve that with cheap PRVI in my .223...and the question goes round...how good do you need it for field work?

 

With cheap ammo that would do me fine!!

ATB!!

 

Try a Hunter!

 

I do not had an issue with my T3 Lite (.223) stock being tooooo light as such, just the rear stock, it makes the gun very front heavy especially with a mod, and even off a Bipod it feels odd! This is a known problem and GMK are well aware of it as they suggested to me....everyone just adds a bit of weight to the butt!

 

My T3 Hunter (.243) is straight out of the box and balance wise is fine!

Edited October 12, 2010 by Dekers

[Dekers]

On the Remington front I have a 700 SPS Stainless in .308, nearly 2 years old now.

 

It has the X-Mark Pro Trigger which is a big improvement on their last attempt in my opinion, but the trigger is still not up to the T3 (quite), but I am perfectly happy enough with it, no need or desire on my part to rush out and buy any replacement!

 

All my rifles are field tools, I have no specific target tools, accuracy wise the T3 and Remy are plenty good enough for me with factory triggers!

[al4x]

So did you go for the sps and then buy a hogue stock? what trigger kit did you go for? (sorry for the twenty questions ).

 

I'm considering keeping it simple...just going for a tikka t3 lite (in which case it will be .223). I would have to know more about the remingtons before i purchased one and I prefer the wooden stocks over the sps,(would have to change that syntetic stock! :blink: ). I also like the look of the T3 varmint but I cant see any advantage in the extra weight once you add a moderator and a scope to it

 

 

 

ATB :blink:

 

 

I bought it done, trigger is a rifle basix one there are a huge range of standard and aftermarket stock options so really you can have whatever you want. Rimfire magic seem to use the sps as a base for building semi custom guns and the guy I got mine from usually seems to have the occasional one in. With .223 you can chance a second hand buy and they can be picked up for a bargain price. Mine was mint and with DM80 mod and rings was £650 which isn't bad at all.

[wildfowler.250]

On the Remington front I have a 700 SPS Stainless in .308, nearly 2 years old now.

 

It has the X-Mark Pro Trigger which is a big improvement on their last attempt in my opinion, but the trigger is still not up to the T3 (quite), but I am perfectly happy enough with it, no need or desire on my part to rush out and buy any replacement!

 

All my rifles are field tools, I have no specific target tools, accuracy wise the T3 and Remy are plenty good enough for me with factory triggers!

 

Cheers for that dekers :blink: Dare I ask which one you prefer? Tikka or Remington?

 

I bought it done, trigger is a rifle basix one there are a huge range of standard and aftermarket stock options so really you can have whatever you want. Rimfire magic seem to use the sps as a base for building semi custom guns and the guy I got mine from usually seems to have the occasional one in. With .223 you can chance a second hand buy and they can be picked up for a bargain price. Mine was mint and with DM80 mod and rings was £650 which isn't bad at all.

 

That's really helpful, thanks! I have heard they can be used for semi custom jobs but I was never really sure why? Guessing the action is good? If I went for a Remington I would almost definitely change the stock but do you get any money back on the original? I assume the aftermarket models are just a drop in exact fit?

 

My only other question would be..how many rounds can the .223 fire before the accuracy decreases? (just for a rough idea when buying second hand).

 

 

Many thanks for all the help!

[Dekers]

Cheers for that dekers Dare I ask which one you prefer? Tikka or Remington?

 

Many thanks for all the help! :blink:

 

 

General suggestion from many is that the T3 is a far better rifle than the Remington 700.

 

I rate the Tikka T3 as a perfectly adequate rifle and I seem fortunte that both mine can shoot just about any weight and price of ammo I feed them.

 

My Rem 700 is a first rate tool, I had heard all sorts of tales about how much better the T3 was, and having 2 x T3 already I was just a little reluctant to invest, I should not have been. Mine is a SPS 700 Stainless in .308, I had 3" cut off the barrel, fitted a P8 Compact and adjusted the factory trigger...job done! I have only fed this a handful of different rounds, it likes the PPVI 150g SP so thats what it gets most of the time. The Rem is a light rifle for a .308, but felt recoil is minimal so it's easy to shoot, one of the best .308 I have used from this point of view.

 

Perhaps I have been fortunate, if you listen to some I may well be, but from my experience I would not have an issue buying a Tikka T3 or Remington 700 again.

 

The T3 probably just edges it for me as I think the factory trigger is a little better than the Remington. To be honest I hate the floor plate system as well, much prefering the magazine, so the T3 wins again!

 

Both Rem and Tikka work and shoot straight, what more do you really want in a rifle?

[wildfowler.250]

The T3 probably just edges it for me as I think the factory trigger is a little better than the Remington. To be honest I hate the floor plate system as well, much prefering the magazine, so the T3 wins again!

 

Thats great! After much consideration I think I will go for either a .223 in T3 lite/hunter/varmint I think the lite will win just because its the cheapest. How did you get the lead weight into the end of the stock? Are there any other similar ideas for adding weight to the end stock that are worth looking at?

 

 

 

Thanks again for all the help

[bullet boy]

Thats great! After much consideration I think I will go for either a .223 in T3 lite/hunter/varmint I think the lite will win just because its the cheapest. How did you get the lead weight into the end of the stock? Are there any other similar ideas for adding weight to the end stock that are worth looking at?

 

 

 

Thanks again for all the help

 

I love my Tikka T3 Lite.For me the smoothness of the bolt is lovely,and overall quality is excellent!As soon as I saw my mate's T3,I had to have one.

[wildfowler.250]

Thanks for that! The lite would probably suit me fine! I prefer a wooden stock but some of the hunter models are a bit plain Dare I ask what the cheapest price on a new lite would be? I'm sure I saw one new for £600 recently....

 

 

 

Cheers