Moderator Question

[Katash]

I've already retyped the notification letter the dealer gave me to include the moderator details, will call in dealers and ask them to add to ticket on Monday.

 

I only spotted it by chance.

[njc110381]

Don't take it to heart Neil. We've already said he needs to get this sorted out via his RFD and that's what he's going to do. We're well off the original topic now and there are no worries about him messing up by not having the mod added to his ticket.

 

I think what we are trying to say but you are missing is that just because your FEO says it and the local RFDs say it, doesn't make it 101% correct by any means. If what you say is true, why would our local RFDs risk everything they have worked for just to sell a mod? I'll tell you - they wouldn't.

 

I'm not 100% certain that what we're discussing is right either way but what I do know is on friday I bought a proofed Wildcat moderator to use "on my air rifle". Now, would that RFD risk his business and possibly even his home for the sake of that sale when he's doing reasonably well for himself? No he wouldn't, and I'm sure he's acting on the advice given by the force who regulate him. My take on it is the moderator is a firearm whilst fitted to a firearm. As soon as it comes off it's just a moderator.

Edited October 31, 2010 by njc110381

[al4x]

SAK's aren't stamped are they?

 

RFD's wouldn't get checked for selling mods that could be used on air rifles

 

But and the big but if the OP is using a mod on his rifle without it listed then there could be an issue, in the real world though they are a component part FEO's do know moderators are pretty harmless on their own hence they aren't usually numbered or named so you can change them without doing a 1 for 1 and causing a load of paperwork.

[DaveK]

My T8 and T8AR don't appear to have proof marks on them.

[Paddy Galore!]

SAK's aren't stamped are they?

 

RFD's wouldn't get checked for selling mods that could be used on air rifles

 

But and the big but if the OP is using a mod on his rifle without it listed then there could be an issue, in the real world though they are a component part FEO's do know moderators are pretty harmless on their own hence they aren't usually numbered or named so you can change them without doing a 1 for 1 and causing a load of paperwork.

they do make a proofed sak mod, exactly the same spec as an unproofed one.

As far as my understanding goes it's not illlegal to posess a moderator of any caliber, proofed or not, but it IS illegal to fit it onto an FAC rated firearm without a slot on your ticket for that particular rifle, or with no moderator listed on your ticket for that matter.

The 141 variation to replace a moderator is long winded and tiresome, maybe some FLDs understand this and are quite reasonable when it comes to replacing them.

[Blackbart]

SAK's aren't stamped are they?

 

RFD's wouldn't get checked for selling mods that could be used on air rifles

 

But and the big but if the OP is using a mod on his rifle without it listed then there could be an issue, in the real world though they are a component part FEO's do know moderators are pretty harmless on their own hence they aren't usually numbered or named so you can change them without doing a 1 for 1 and causing a load of paperwork.

The SAK on my 17 is stamped

 

Not that it makes much difference as they go down as make and model unknown so in effect they are all off ticket.

[bongo321]

If you have an off ticket moderator as soon as you attach it to a firearm it becomes a regulated part and needs to be licensed, if you get caught by the cops with the mod on your rifle and its not listed on your FAC, you can say good by to your licence mate.

As for signing things onto your licence yourself, this cant be done, with the example of a mod it cannot change from use as a air rifle mod to a FAC rated mod by entering it onto your FAC by yourself it must be entered as a FAC rated moderator by a RFD from the because it has to tracable through the RFDs register.

 

TB.

For mine i contacted my FEO and in short they just transfered a air rifle mod uns over to my fac but ive nothing written But they know its as long as they know i allways copy cert tranfer etc and post and also keep a copy

Edited November 1, 2010 by bongo321

[bongo321]

Are you really sure about this? A proof is only a test to show a moderator is safe on a certain calibre, it doesn't make the mod an FAC only item around here! Could be a matter of various forces doing things in different ways perhaps but I know of several RFDs in the area who will sell a proofed mod without a FAC for air rifle use and one not so local who actually manufactures them and does the same. With the number they deal with they should know the rules and apart from that all this is done in plain view of the FEO with no problems!

it only becomes fac if thats what your useing it for ,

[firdom]

I give up on your lot......

You do what you like, but don't give advice to a brand new FAC holder that is not a 101% correct, it his him who pays the price for your advice (good or bad), not you.

If he follows my best advice he will be fine, that is a cast iron guaranty, can the rest of you claim the same ?

What you, me or anybody else gets away with has nothing to do with what is right.

 

Neil.

GOOD ADVICE thanks Neil i am a new fac holder bought a s/h hmr with moderator after this post i rechecked with firearms dept and i do not have the mod on record although i have a slot they said i must send in writing details etc as per a gun transfer