springer

[jen shooter]

HI Chaps i have a springer dog ,very well bred Sire Moonreed flush out of a nice working bitch.

Fromthe day i collected him he was quite nervy , but i followed the usuall training rules i had done with my 1st springer dog ben .

At 15 month hes like a rocket when he comes out of the kennel and is so boisterous not noisey but charges around ihave tried calming him i sit with him play with him keep him happy.i know every spaniel is diferent but this boy is testing. i generaly follow David Lissets way of training.

Question is having him castrated likely to calm him down or will he calm down when hes older, IMe not to keen on the first idea.

I have allways thought if i dont like it he wont . aany sujetions welcome

[Cookiemonsterandmerlin.]

i Had to make this choice with yellow lab because he was so aggressive towards my wife.

 

A shame as he is a wonderful worker and a fine looking dog,once he had the chop he became model dog.

 

Not the same as a springer as labs a quiter anyway.

 

Will it work I think yes but I would give it another 4/5 months as he may calm down naturally.

 

Cheers OTH

[KennyB]

LOL, that brings back memories, one of my blokes was exactly the same so i had him done hoping it would slow him down but 5 years on he still goes every where at 100mph

[Imperfection]

Castration is not guaranteed to calm him down and if he's still nervous i definetly wouldnt neuter him as testerone gives males confidence.Also,he might loose his desire to work which wouldnt be fun! Most working dogs are intact-even customs dogs.

 

Basically he's a Spaniel and acting as such.Give him a purpose and a role like finding hidden items around the house when you're home.

[stoggieman]

I think you will ruin what will turn out to be a very good dog.Casteration should be the last resort.

[WGD]

I've got a bitch like that, and no balls to nip off in the hope that it'll solve the problem (if in fact it is one).

 

He's hot, simple as that IMO, and with a sire like MF it's no surprise. Bet he's a cracker, my bitch has a "wall of death" session round the back garden when she comes out of the kennel, sits while the garden gate gets opened, lead goes on and any messing about is not on. Mind you, at 3 YO the wall of death is getting faster, not slower

[Fisherman Mike]

We have had 8 Springer Dogs in the family and 2 cockers since I was a lad, 4 belonged to my Dad before me.

 

All but two of them have been castrated.

 

If you dont intend to breed from them its the best thing in my opinion healthwise, reduces the male hormones and clinically is said to preserve against future serious ailments connected with it, such as malignancies. I am not aware that it affected adversely the dogs inherent ability and desire to work and please and certainly in almost all cases calmed the dogs down substantially, keeping their mind on the job in hand when in the field.

 

Uncastrated Springers never grow up they will still be going around at 100 miles an hour when they are 10 and 11 years old! Particularly ones from the good Bloodline you have. Thats what they are selectively bred for, to work and work all day.

 

It may be that you are feeding the Dog too high a protein Diet and he has boundless Energy. If this is the case and hes not working it off its akin to us drinking 20 cups of Espresso laced with Red Bull. Try him on a lower protein or "light" Diet.

 

To chop or not that is the question...We all have our own opinions and you will have to form your own. All I will say is that it has been beneficial in almost all of the cases of Dogs in my families ownership over the last 50 years.

 

Might be a good idea to do a bit of research amongst some of the specialist Springer Breeders or Trainers. Trouble is if an intact Dog is particularly good in the field and perhaps has money making potential in Breeding it could be as mad as a March Hare on Steroids and would never be considered for castration.

 

In most cases though it does curb the aggresive tendancies in my opinion..for what its worth.

[apache]

I would only recommend castration if there is a problem with the dog. If he's aggressive get him done. If he humps your leg, get him done. Doesn't make a lot of difference to temperament, just is often done as dogs mature and naturally calm down a bit.

 

There are few things castration protects against. If the dog suffers testicular or prostate problems get him done then. It's different with a bitch as the more seasons she has the more likely she is to get mammary cancer.

 

There is an injection and/or a tablet that will temporarily castrate him chemically to see if it makes a difference.

[rickyspringer]

I would not neuter, something I am against unless there is solid medical reasons, if the dog is hyper dominant whatever people think its the key to neuter, there is no solid advice proving it works.

 

In your case i think it comes with the territory as people have mentioned before me, the dog is bred to go and is wanting to when released from kennel.. my two are exactly the same and it pleases me, it shows they have a thirst for work or for getting out there, my two do 360's at the back door until leads are put on.

 

WGD touching on Moonreed Flush does he put headbangers out there??

[WGD]

WGD touching on Moonreed Flush does he put headbangers out there??

 

I couldn't say for sure mate, would depend on the bitch as well wouldn't it? But being bred the way he is I would expect hot pups.

[rickyspringer]

thanks for that wgd, i agree its both ways sire and dam.. I only asked as I had him in mind for putting across my bitch in the future but if he puts bangers out there its a no go.. haha

[butcherboy]

I couldn't say for sure mate, would depend on the bitch as well wouldn't it? But being bred the way he is I would expect hot pups.

 

 

Perhaps this is a case of too little research into the pedigree before buying?

 

Can you not either work with a hot dog or pass him onto someone who wants one

Edited January 5, 2011 by butcherboy

[kermitpwee]

HI Chaps i have a springer dog ,very well bred Sire Moonreed flush out of a nice working bitch.

Fromthe day i collected him he was quite nervy , but i followed the usuall training rules i had done with my 1st springer dog ben .

At 15 month hes like a rocket when he comes out of the kennel and is so boisterous not noisey but charges around ihave tried calming him i sit with him play with him keep him happy.i know every spaniel is diferent but this boy is testing. i generaly follow David Lissets way of training.

Question is having him castrated likely to calm him down or will he calm down when hes older, IMe not to keen on the first idea.

I have allways thought if i dont like it he wont . aany sujetions welcome

 

 

I cant see your problem mate. Any springer worth his salt thats kept in a run will be a lunatic for 5-10 mins of getting out. Is he aggressive. What is he exactly doing that is so wrong. I have bought a good few springers for family and friends in 2010 and if they dont come out of the kennel like the a psycho I'm not interested. Is it that the dog legs it out of the garden and wont come back? If so it needs further training. I had one springer that if you touched him when he came out of the run he would nip ya on the hand with excitement, he was the nicest springer ever apart from that. My solution was not to handle him straight away and after 30 secs he ewas fine. This dog wouldnt break the skin he had huge drive but was very sensitive so attempts top stop him nipping my hand thru giving him a clip didnt work. Now if it had been a more confident dog I woulnt have let him away with him.

 

So what exactly is your dog doing?