bongo321 Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 hi i believe that if your cabinet is approved for ie 5 FAC's the 5 includes silencers , So 3 rifles 2 mods = 5 cabinet full , But ive heard that in some areas this is not so and a 5 gun cabinet is 5 gun's and although mods are registered/kept in there they dont add to the total , so you can have 5 of each , So like me with 3 mods listed i can only have 2 guns ?? in my 5 gun cabinet . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh warrior Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 (edited) i got told as long as i can fit my guns inside my safe then i can have as many as i can fit in :blink: at the moment ive got 2 rifles and 4 shotguns but i will be selling one and getting one chopped up so there will be room for new buys Edited January 8, 2011 by welsh warrior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Although moderator's are classed as firearms (why, I don't know) they do count towards the maximum rifles that you are allowed in your cabinet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowen20 Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Sounds like a load of **** to me I mean come on what flo is going to come out and physically check that u have got 3 rifles and 3 mods in ur six gun cabinet and no more I mean the cabinet will look empty. Personaly I'd just fill it n leave the mods on the end I've never heard such a thing my flo said if you fill your cabinet apply for another one to be put in your house so think I'd do that I've currently got a 10 gun cabinet 3 shotguns and 3 rifles all with mods on so if what your saying is right I can only have 1 more shotgun nah I don't think so. When I changed adddress my flo saw my cabinet with everything in it and didn't say owt like what your talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxon88 Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 my feo always told me that as long as you can fit them in the cabinet then its fine. He even suggested to top and tail them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 (edited) The law simply requires that your provide adequate security. As a sec 1 cert states your max gun / mod / ammo holding, provided the cab you have has been deemed adequate you can put as many guns as will fit into it with mods etc. If your FEO has a concern about any cert holders individual situation it will be stated as a condition on the licence - so in the absence of anything stating a max no of guns / units of storage in any one approved facility, everything that will fit can go in. Edited January 8, 2011 by clayman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 For a time I had 9 shotguns in a 6 gun cabinet. I spoke to the police when the other three were put on my licence and was told it was not problem, I can have as many as I can squeeze in, it's jut up to me to ensure they are securely stored. Who told you this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drut Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 my feo always told me that as long as you can fit them in the cabinet then its fine. He even suggested to top and tail them! Exactly what my feo told me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 In that case I'm 3 over my limit... Did my FEO care ? Not one ounce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Only thing is some forces want additional security if you have a lot of guns on premises and this varies from region to region but you can have 1 big cabinet or 3 small ones. The stated capacity of the cabinet is a manufacturer recommendation/indication rather than a legal capacity, some quote 4/5 and you would struggle to get 4 in others quote 5 and you can get 8 in easily..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bongo321 Posted January 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 (edited) A mixed bag of answers i agree i dont think they will pysically come and count , but they will surely know off there records what your tickets total is 2 rifles + 1 shotgun + 2 mods = (5) a 5gun approved cabinet full . I ask because my feo said when he checked out my second cabinet to approve it 'quote' dont forget 1 more gun/mod your at your max limit 10 2x 5gun cabinets which im at because i now have mods for all 3 rifles ,= 3x rifles 4x shotguns 3x mods = 10,,, So i need another cabinet eg if i want another shotgun . i could plead dumb and forget the mod's but im going to look DUMB if i lost my ticket . It seems some areas you get a cabinet approved end of just fill it and some ares approve but get approved with a number ie 5/10 , which is not fair as i want another shotgun but my cabinets are full by LAW =10 although only 7guns so ive got to spend £200 for a cabinet to put it in and most areas i would not ...... I thought a law was a law , in cheshire im breaking the law next door staffordshire im not .I will phone and see if i get a different answer you never know ,and i hope ive been told it totally wrong but i at this point only go on his quote Edited January 9, 2011 by bongo321 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bongo321 Posted January 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 (edited) Sounds like a load of **** to me I mean come on what flo is going to come out and physically check that u have got 3 rifles and 3 mods in ur six gun cabinet and no more I mean the cabinet will look empty. Personaly I'd just fill it n leave the mods on the end I've never heard such a thing my flo said if you fill your cabinet apply for another one to be put in your house so think I'd do that I've currently got a 10 gun cabinet 3 shotguns and 3 rifles all with mods on so if what your saying is right I can only have 1 more shotgun nah I don't think so. When I changed adddress my flo saw my cabinet with everything in it and didn't say owt like what your talking about. HI sorry mate ,its fact in cheshire at least, As i was quoted , and because your feo said nothing does not make it legal Edited January 9, 2011 by bongo321 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 HI sorry mate ,its fact in cheshire at least, and because your feo said nothing does not make it legal Mate, it's YOU that has got it the wrong way around. What your FEO says is not law. Are you in a shooting organisation? Give them a ring on Monday. Find me the law that states you can only have 5 'firearms' in a 5 gun cabinet. You can't, because it doesn't exist. Go and look in the police firearms security handbook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bongo321 Posted January 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 (edited) Mate, it's YOU that has got it the wrong way around. What your FEO says is not law. Are you in a shooting organisation? Give them a ring on Monday. Find me the law that states you can only have 5 'firearms' in a 5 gun cabinet. You can't, because it doesn't exist. Go and look in the police firearms security handbook. This is why im asking i cant find anything that agrees with my feo , but i would be a fool without proof to ignore what he told me and as it was a 5 gun cabinet APPROVED FOR 5, i never questioned it till i got thinking about and i agree with everyone who has commented but , why did he say it without some reason ? JUST TO ADD ITS NOT ME SAYING ANYTHING JUST PASSING ON WHAT I WAS QUOTED BY MY FEO Edited January 9, 2011 by bongo321 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colster Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 (edited) It's a load of tosh, mate. It's not a legal requirement to even have a gun cabinet. Your responsibility is to secure the rifles against unlawful use. The easiest way is to use a cabinet and these will typically be sold by their capacity but mods (even if you take them off the rifle for storage) don't contribute towards the cabinet's capacity. I had 4 guns in a 4/5 cabinet but decided to buy a bigger cabinet before adding another as I didn't want the hassle of having to remove one gun to get at another, however my FEO was fine to allow it, it was my choice to change it so my guns didn't get damaged. I had a shotgun, FAC Air, .22LR (mod stays on in cabinet) and an HMR (mod comes off in cabinet). The reason you can't find anything that specifically states this is probably because they never imagined anyone would interpret it that way. It may be you misunderstood your FEO but check with BASC if you're still worried. Edited January 9, 2011 by Colster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colster Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Although moderator's are classed as firearms (why, I don't know) they do count towards the maximum rifles that you are allowed in your cabinet. Did you mean "don't"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bongo321 Posted January 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 Thanks for all replies , i will contact my area firearms office and make a general enquiry tomorrow , i know i heard him correctly but he may well have interepted it wrongly , i hope so ! it will save me a new cabinet . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bongo321 Posted January 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 (edited) RESULT well i phoned up and put it about totals ran round the houses about manufacturers recomendations and 3rifles with mod's =6 and that i surely would not need another cabinet to put 1 mod in? with me adding another mod 'reason to phone' ANSWER IS NO! ITS AS MANY AS YOU DEEM SAFE AND WAS SAID AS NOT TO DAMAGE THEM i did not say what my feo said on his visit ,But she told me what i had as in 2x 5 rifle cabinets , so must be fact brilliant . Edited January 11, 2011 by bongo321 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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