CharlieT Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 I think the 'closed' aspect he's refering to is that he doesn't have the Clay Pigeon condition on his certificate, mine was like that when i first got it too, even though its supposed to be put on automatically It'll be interesting to see if its been put on my renewal (if it ever arrives! ) Mark Mine never had it despite going through many renewals and me forgetting to request "clays". Had to ask for it in the end and was told over the phone that one had to request it but once one had done so they would add it without question. Their definition of automatic is different to mine. Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhawk Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 (edited) It says the 12bore shotgun and ammo shall be used for shooting vermin and for zeroing on ranges or land deemed suitable by chief of police over which holder has lawfull authority to shoot.So every time i want to shoot on land its got to be cleared if it has not been before. Edited February 17, 2011 by silverhawk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 It says the 12bore shotgun and ammo shall be used for shooting vermin and for zeroing on ranges deemed suitable by chief of police over which holder has lawfull authority to shoot.So every time i want to shoot on land its got to be cleared if it has not been before. I presume the above should read land instead of ranges. I think a kind word in your FLM's ear pointing out the guidelines is needed. Yours is the first time I have come across territorial conditions for a shotgun !!. Perhaps a word with BASC would be in order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huffhuff Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 I don't have it to hand, but I think mine makes a reference to 'ranges' when talking about zeroing in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhawk Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 Sorry says ranges or land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maidment78 Posted February 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 Well I decided to give it a go so application off, asked for the FAC shot and also a .243 so with luck I will get one! All I need now is the wife to wake up and say 'Hey, why don't you go an get yourself a nice new gun, treat yourself, you deserve it,,,,' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 Well I decided to give it a go so application off, asked for the FAC shot and also a .243 so with luck I will get one! All I need now is the wife to wake up and say 'Hey, why don't you go an get yourself a nice new gun, treat yourself, you deserve it,,,,' Now THAT'S some wishful thinking!! Good luck Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colster Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 (edited) i have an 8+1 SX3 an it was the same price as the standard! Not now it isn't As Bleeh said, they do depreciate faster than standard guns (much like FAC Air rifles) so if you can get a condition for it then you could save yourself a few quid by buying second hand. As far as open/closed tickets, FAC Shotguns "should" be granted as open from the start according to the home office guidelines. This isn't always the case but even an open cert may have conditions that affect not where you can you use it but what you can use it for. Edited February 18, 2011 by Colster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maidment78 Posted April 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Got the FAC ticket and got the gun, lets see what happens next week when I go out to try it. Got it down on the ticket for pest control and that is the only clause so very happy with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark-70 Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 That's really interesting, I didn't know that! I'm getting a new Benelli M2 and wouldnt mind having on FAC but I was under the impression that on a closed ticket it would be the same as a rifle and not open to be used anywhere I liked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maidment78 Posted April 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 I thought that would be the case too but it just states on condition 6 that the smooth bore gun shall be used for shooting vermin on land of which th holder has lawful authority to shoot. The .243 has a few more conditions though,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 yeh ime gona send in for a variation soon and get one put on,ime working as a fulltime keeper and do lots and lots of rabbit lamping. and 3 shots arnt enugh. me and 2 other lads went lamping last year on their place and got over 300 rabbits on the snow of the back of the pick up they both had 8 shot m2. ile bare inmind what you said about multi shot and my fao she is realy realy good and had got me and the head keeper of the hook a few times lol Have two section 1 shotguns;when asked by licensing why I needed a second,I told them the other(20 bore pump)is choked full,and was making a mess of bolting rabbits(too messy to sell)which was true,so required a multi-choke.Was then told that even though shooting rabbits with a shotgun was clearly done by almost everyone,it wasn't deemed 'good reason' to be granted a sect'1 shotgun.My FEO told me to change the wording to that of the 'wildlife and countryside act 1981(?)' and it was granted. Before anyone asks,I can't sell the 20 bore as it's never been proved.I could give it away,but it's a collectors item. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 That's really interesting, I didn't know that! I'm getting a new Benelli M2 and wouldnt mind having on FAC but I was under the impression that on a closed ticket it would be the same as a rifle and not open to be used anywhere I liked. Land clearance is concerned with the ballistic potential of the ammunition being used. As you would be using the same ammunition in an S1 shotgun as you would in an S2 there is no more danger, therefore S1 shotguns used for vermin/pest control should always have the 'open' condition on (As an S2 gun can automatically used without land restriction). If your FLD puts the 'closed' condition on ask them to justify it Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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