adam_r Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 Hi everyone, Sorry if this has been covered before. Who has been through this ? I'm curious to learn a bit more about it. Thanks Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 Not done it myself, what do you want to know and for which breed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam_r Posted March 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 I'm just curious to know what's involved for a complete beginner thats all. It would be for a springer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaniel Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 Alot of hard work and tears Only managed a 3rd in a Novice so far, so along way to go yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 (edited) To make a dog up to FTCh it must win 2 open stakes. This might be helpful for you: http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/download/4436/ftregs.pdf Edited March 17, 2011 by WGD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 Alot of hard work and tears Only managed a 3rd in a Novice so far, so along way to go yet Third in a novice trial's a pretty good start Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaniel Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 (edited) Ahh I mislead you a bit there, should of said 3rd in a Novice Test, but planning on entering a few this season to see how she gets on.. Edited March 17, 2011 by Spaniel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 Ahh I mislead you a bit there, should of said 3rd in a Novice Test, but planning on entering a few this season to see how she gets on.. Ya booga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam_r Posted March 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 I take it this is not something you decide to do on a whim one year and take years and years of refinement ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 IMO training a trialling dog is a commitment, you are right, you don't do it on a whim certainly not if you want to be successful. You've got to buy the breeding to give you the best chance and conditioning the right behaviours starts from day one that's assuming you know what you are trying to achieve in the first place. Then you have to have access to the right type of ground with a variety of game to get the dog polished. Take all that into account and bear in mind you will be working with a hot dog to start with and it is a skilled trainer putting a lot into it who can make a dog a Champion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyboots Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 have a couple of friends who run dogs in trials none have ever made up a FTCH but they have made up FTW and 1 of them came 2nd a number of years ago in the irish championship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushroom Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Would love to enter my staffy but the cowards won't let me guess they don't want their labs and springers shown up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Ahh I mislead you a bit there, should of said 3rd in a Novice Test, but planning on entering a few this season to see how she gets on.. I share your pain I have had a 3rd a 2nd and a COM in a Novice test, I won a club finals day with my new pup and will enter the puppy test this June as she will still only be 21 months by then (its up to 2 years) FT's are a big jump up in terms if the quaility of dogs, we even get pro trainers in our tests so thats no easy draw either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larp Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 (edited) your better of staying with the novice trails unless you have a lot of time on your hands . theres to much back scratching and back handers going on in the top leavels Edited March 18, 2011 by larp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 your better of staying with the novice trails unless you have a lot of time on your hands . theres to much back scratching and back handers going on in the top leavels Based on first hand knowledge or just hearsay and conjecture like the vast majority of these rumours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bi9johnny Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 your better of staying with the novice trails unless you have a lot of time on your hands . theres to much back scratching and back handers going on in the top leavels this is so true ....it depends who your in with and if his mates want you in...i have experienced this first hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegleg31 Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 your better of staying with the novice trails unless you have a lot of time on your hands . theres to much back scratching and back handers going on in the top leavels this is so true ....it depends who your in with and if his mates want you in...i have experienced this first hand Not 100% true!! Top triallers run dogs in novice trials against complete novice handlers, you have to win a novice before entering an open.If you win an open your dog is made up into a FTCH after a water test.Although to a certain extent from what i've seen first hand it has a little to do with who you know as you need two referees to join a club and some judges will favour certain people as the judges also run dogs.I was at a trial last year and the person who won was judging at the trial that one of the judges was running in later that week and i personally did'nt think his dog went that well.Be prepared to throw alot of money into it as you need to join alot of clubs if you want a chance of a run and be prepared to travel a fair distance to get to trials.Like WGD has said you need the right facilities to trian your dogs on and a ready supply of game all year round to shoot over.It's far better to train with warm game than cold game and having the right dog helps alot, if you think a dog goes well in a beating line it will come nowhere near in a trial it's completely different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 If you win an open your dog is made up into a FTCH after a water test. I thought it was two opens mate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegleg31 Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 I thought it was two opens mate? Yes your right spaniels have to win two open stakes under two different judges, they also have to show that they will enter water freely to be awarded FTCH.I'll try and find i link to the dukeries gundog club trial and show you the pics of simon tyers springer doing a water test in a duck pond with about 3" of water in it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Yeh, water tests seems to be a joke across the board! Entry to water is observed, actually retrieving from water... by that time the judges are heading for a cup of tea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermitpwee Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 (edited) I know a fella here in ireland who has won the irish championship a few times and has had 2 or 3 ftch dogs. I bought my first ever springer of him, the first 3 weeks i rang him every day some times twice a day the dog was so hot to handle. After a month I rang him and asked would he take the dog back, he said he would but he asked me to do something first. I said what? He said grow a pair of balls and get a grip on the dog! I did grow a pair in the next 6 months! Never looked back since and helped a lot a lads out with problems they had with their dogs. Hardest thing to do is get stuck in and learn it your self. Only thing I would say is that any Trialling man I met was never a 100% human, they all have something that the normal man doesnt have and a huge desire to win. Edited March 19, 2011 by kermitpwee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom&Dexter Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 100% Human *** ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermitpwee Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 (edited) 100% Human *** ? Yep the pro I know is a strange man, my uncle brought a 8 month cocker to him that had never been trained, totally raw. The pro brought him out to assess him and within 3 minutes he had him recalling on voice command and turning him left and right on hand signals. It freaked me out and this happened 3 months ago not when I was green and knew nothing about dogs. This man has 30 to 40 dogs in his kennels. When you walk in they bark, he snaps his fingers once and their is total silence and thats a fact. Strange fellow. Edited March 19, 2011 by kermitpwee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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