foxbuster Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 The montifeltro's are cracking guns-but pretty pricey! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmoo Posted May 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 Thanks for that, this looks to be a very old gun. Is multi choke and is mechanically sound just a bit tatty. But should be a good bet being made by Benelli ? Schmoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbuster Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 Hi mate, didnt know they'd made the montifeltro for that long? My mate got one-he bought it about 3 years ago, paid around the £1000 mark. Think they're even more now! Benelli are a class outfit mate, you wouldnt go wrong with one of these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmoo Posted May 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 Ok thanks, think I will take a drive over at the weekend and have a look. Do you know if your mates one will cycle 21g upwards, want the Mrs to be able to have a go at the clays with it too, my Browning O/U is a touch too heavy for her. Schmoo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 bought my hatsan second hand over 2yrs ago from evil elvis on here, brilliant gun, never had a problem with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmoo Posted May 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Hi mate, didnt know they'd made the montifeltro for that long? My mate got one-he bought it about 3 years ago, paid around the £1000 mark. Think they're even more now! Benelli are a class outfit mate, you wouldnt go wrong with one of these. This model Benelli, appears to have chokes that just seem to bolt on to the muzzle, and then depending on choke will increase barrel length by 2,3 or 4". I havent seen this sort of choke style, i dont know if they screw into the barrel and end up with most of the choke sticking out from the muzzle ( i have only seen flush chokes like on my browning or extended ones which stick out anout an inch tops from muzzle but these protude up to 4" ! Thanks Schmoo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmoo Posted May 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 (edited) It was made in the early 80's. It has an external thread on the muzzle and the chokes are screwed on to that, the chokes extend the barrel by up to about 6" It come with 5 chokes from skeet to full. dont know if such an old gun is a good idea, internally mint but tatty on the outside, may or may not cycle light 21g to 24g loads. Do they have less felt recoil over a browning 30 O/U ? Am I better off with a nearly new Armsan 612 or simular. Schmoo Edited May 5, 2011 by Schmoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MK38 Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Schmoo, by the sounds of it you will never be happy with an old gun... they might have had a hard life and require some deep cleaning and spare parts before they perform as they should.... Even a new auto will require you to clean the mechanism regulary, perhaps you would be better off buying an O/U... less to clean and less to go wrong. If your hearts set on an Auto, perhaps a new Escort or Armisan with guarantees that might be usefull for you. Most gas auto's should recoil less than an O/U, just depends how much you expect it to help... have you a problem with recoil? If you do decide on an old gun, at least get a make that spares are easily available for it... Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulboy1957 Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Save a few more pennies and get a secondhand Benelli M2....i got mine for £550 L/H ..cycles from 50g down to 24g no problems,and you can put Montefeltro recoil spring in and go 21g IIRC the springs about £18. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon123 Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Save a few more pennies and get a secondhand Benelli M2....i got mine for £550 L/H ..cycles from 50g down to 24g no problems,and you can put Montefeltro recoil spring in and go 21g IIRC the springs about £18. That is one cheap Benelli. I don't think you'll see many at that price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulboy1957 Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 I know Simon..............said yes very quickly on that one ha ha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushjob Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 (edited) I bought a Gamba CX707 for £80 off here - already put about 200 rounds from 26 - 46g through it without a single hiccup - cycles well and is comfotable to shoot. I bought it as a tool I wasn't afraid to get a bit wet & dirty and it's certainly lived up to my expectations. Plus pigeons fall out of the sky and the rabbits roll over just as well as they do when hit by my o/u which cost about 10 times as much Edited May 5, 2011 by Rushjob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmoo Posted May 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Schmoo, by the sounds of it you will never be happy with an old gun... they might have had a hard life and require some deep cleaning and spare parts before they perform as they should.... Even a new auto will require you to clean the mechanism regulary, perhaps you would be better off buying an O/U... less to clean and less to go wrong. If your hearts set on an Auto, perhaps a new Escort or Armisan with guarantees that might be usefull for you. Most gas auto's should recoil less than an O/U, just depends how much you expect it to help... have you a problem with recoil? If you do decide on an old gun, at least get a make that spares are easily available for it... Dave Cheers for your reply Dave, I have a Browning B325 sporter, love it to bits, but it is too heavy for the Mrs to use when she pops from time to time with me to bust some clays, she puts 21g thru the browning, I was thinking of getting a semi so I can drag it around the field and not ruin my baby Browning ! I was hoping at the same time it might recoil less and be a touch easier for the Mrs to use, she doesn't want her own gun, just likes to use mine on clays. Can't decide whether to go old Browning / Beretta or new Armsan or such like. Thanks Schmoo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MK38 Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Cheers for your reply Dave, I have a Browning B325 sporter, love it to bits, but it is too heavy for the Mrs to use when she pops from time to time with me to bust some clays, she puts 21g thru the browning, I was thinking of getting a semi so I can drag it around the field and not ruin my baby Browning ! I was hoping at the same time it might recoil less and be a touch easier for the Mrs to use, she doesn't want her own gun, just likes to use mine on clays. Can't decide whether to go old Browning / Beretta or new Armsan or such like. Thanks Schmoo. If you can try and borrow an auto at your local clay shoot or gun shop if they have a place to shoot it, or more importantly your wife to have a go and feel the weight,balance and recoil.. my local clay ground have a shop and you can try the gun before you buy. Even old auto's can shoot well, but you may have to work on them first... you don't know it's history. Escorts have a three year guarantee i believe and i would expect Armisan to have simmilar , i like the look of Armisan's but have heard little about them , but they are fairly new on the scene. But as i said your wife should really try one before you go and buy it. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmoo Posted May 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 If you can try and borrow an auto at your local clay shoot or gun shop if they have a place to shoot it, or more importantly your wife to have a go and feel the weight,balance and recoil.. my local clay ground have a shop and you can try the gun before you buy. Even old auto's can shoot well, but you may have to work on them first... you don't know it's history. Escorts have a three year guarantee i believe and i would expect Armisan to have simmilar , i like the look of Armisan's but have heard little about them , but they are fairly new on the scene. But as i said your wife should really try one before you go and buy it. Dave Thanks dave, its more for me than her ( don't tell her that ! ) I will give a few shops a ring and see if any have Armsans in stock, I do like the look of them, my luck won't fit me but at least I will know. Cheers Schmoo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmoo Posted May 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 (edited) Have been talking to Sco77w from PW and he has an Armsan 612W 12g in wood, he has only had it a short while but has put 500 odd shells through it both 24g steel and 28g lead and he reports it has not missed a heart beat. I am trying to get him to test it with some 21g loads and see how it performs with those. He rates the gun highly and at £380-450 don't think I can go wrong. I have managed to find a few articles on it and it is sold in the US as a Tristar Viper and seems to have been welcomed well by our cousins across the pond. So I will go and try one on for size and take it from there. Schmoo. Edited May 5, 2011 by Schmoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MK38 Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Have been talking to Sco77w from PW and he has an Armsan 612W 12g in wood, he has only had it a short while but has put 500 odd shells through it both 24g steel and 28g lead and he reports it has not missed a heart beat. I am trying to get him to test it with some 21g loads and see how it performs with those. He rates the gun highly and at £380-450 don't think I can go wrong. I have managed to find a few articles on it and it is sold in the US as a Tristar Viper and seems to have been welcomed well by our cousins across the pond. So I will go and try one on for size and take it from there. Schmoo. I looked at the Armsan website, and in the handbook shown, it states that 28gm is the smallest recomended load.... doesn't mean it won't fire smaller as different shells may well have enough force/pressure to work the action. Have you searched on http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/index.php they might have some more info about the Tristar Viper..... or even ring Viking or Armsan for info on light loads. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmoo Posted May 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 I looked at the Armsan website, and in the handbook shown, it states that 28gm is the smallest recomended load.... doesn't mean it won't fire smaller as different shells may well have enough force/pressure to work the action. Have you searched on http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/index.php they might have some more info about the Tristar Viper..... or even ring Viking or Armsan for info on light loads. Dave Thanks Dave, you a night owl like me then ? I have to be up at 7 for my hours drive to work, but still don't hit the sack till 2 at the earliest. Think I will go for one of these if it fits of course, if it don't cycle 21g, Mrs will have to carry on with the Browning o/u, bless her. Schmoo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon123 Posted May 6, 2011 Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 There seems to be a good new semi auto on gun mart, i don't know if anybody's heard about them, but it's a Weatherby SA-08. The gun really does look good and there's a very good review of it HERE. May be a very good idea to have a look at one :good: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmoo Posted May 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 There seems to be a good new semi auto on gun mart, i don't know if anybody's heard about them, but it's a Weatherby SA-08. The gun really does look good and there's a very good review of it HERE. May be a very good idea to have a look at one :good: Thanks Simon123, I will have a look at that later, it will need to be mighty good looking, have fallen head over heels for the Armsan 612. Will keep it in mind, my luck the Armsan won't bloomin' fit me. Schmoo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bull Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 the trouble with some semis is the wont eject 21gs because theres not enough gas or power or whatever from the shell ( im not a brainbox like some people on here ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bull Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 (Right then. There are two basic opinions here. (a) Quality second hand ( Cheap new. I went for a Hatsan as I could get a proper LH one cheaply. To be honest I wanted to see how I got on with a semi (Oh,er) and I fully expected, having read all the bad press, to have problems and planned, if I liked a semi auto, to sell it on and buy somthing better. However, the gun has been fault less and has cycled everything inc 65mm/21grm Hull Comp X's without any issues. So I've kept it. The same is true of the other Hatsan owners I've met and chatted to. The real clincher for me is that for your money you will be able to get a new one with a 3 year warranty. I like Beretta's but you would be at the bottom of the barrel for that money and, at the risk of upsetting Beretta owners I've seen more of them having problems with their guns than I have with Hatsan owners.) when i have tried berreta urikas and similair semis it wont cycle them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon123 Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 (Right then. There are two basic opinions here. (a) Quality second hand ( Cheap new. I went for a Hatsan as I could get a proper LH one cheaply. To be honest I wanted to see how I got on with a semi (Oh,er) and I fully expected, having read all the bad press, to have problems and planned, if I liked a semi auto, to sell it on and buy somthing better. However, the gun has been fault less and has cycled everything inc 65mm/21grm Hull Comp X's without any issues. So I've kept it. The same is true of the other Hatsan owners I've met and chatted to. The real clincher for me is that for your money you will be able to get a new one with a 3 year warranty. I like Beretta's but you would be at the bottom of the barrel for that money and, at the risk of upsetting Beretta owners I've seen more of them having problems with their guns than I have with Hatsan owners.) when i have tried berreta urikas and similair semis it wont cycle them I totally agree with everything which was said above :good: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmoo Posted May 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 Oh well, if they won't cycle 21g then I guess no 21g will go thru it. The Mrs will have to put up with 28g for now. I will have to get her a nice 20 gauge later once funds allow. Schmoo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon123 Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 There is a New Baikal MP-153 on Guntrader at £549, slightly over you'r budget, but a absolutely great gun, and very much well worth the money. The gun is reliable, very durable, a good looker, and built to last as Baikal's are ;) Here's a Link The seller also says on the advert that the gun will cycle 21g right upto 63g (as it's a 3 1/2") The gun should be considered even though it's slightly over budget ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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