.22 Blank Adaptor

[otherwayup]

I want something to fire short blanks and I've looked at a few .22 blank adaptors for shotguns online.

 

They look pretty basic and I wondered if anyone has made their own?

 

Darren

[pegleg31]

I was talking to someone at a working test the other week and they told me you can remove the primer from a cartridge.Then all you have to do is place new primers into the empty cartridges.I personally don't know if this would work as i no nothing about reloading but would be very interested to know if it does and if you need any special tools to do so.

 

Hope this helps, and someone with a little more knowledge can help more

 

Russ

[darren 67]

if you use metal type snap caps you can take out allen pin and spring and put in blank to fire through your shotgun. used them while dog training to learn to drop to shot.

[fruitloop]

if you use a shotgun primer in as empty cart it is not very loud on its own in fact it a faint pop. you can get blank 12g carts but at £1 each there exspensive .how did you get the fireing pin to strike the rim with the modifide snap caps as it needs to be off center to strike the primer in the rimm of a .22rim fire blank

[Bazooka Joe]

12g Adaptor

 

I made one of these, works a treat....scroll down the page, post 21, there's a photo,

[darren 67]

i used starter pistol blanks thought they were the same sorry if im wrong.

[activeviii]

Yep i have made a few., very easy to mack if you have access to a lathe. i made two differant types. one to take 22 blanks and on to take hilti blanks as i have a big supply of them.

you have reminded me that i nee to go make a pair for the 20g as i no longer have a 12g o/u, i might have to find a cheap single barrel again just for bringing one of the pups on.

[otherwayup]

i used starter pistol blanks thought they were the same sorry if im wrong.

I don't know anything about .22 blanks, maybe they will fire if hit rim or centre.

 

Can anyone clarify if there are two types of blank (rim and centre) or if hitting them in either place will set them off?

 

Modding a snapcap would be easier than starting from scratch.

[Blunderbuss]

I don't know anything about .22 blanks, maybe they will fire if hit rim or centre.

 

Can anyone clarify if there are two types of blank (rim and centre) or if hitting them in either place will set them off?

 

Modding a snapcap would be easier than starting from scratch.

 

All .22 blanks and Hilti nail gun cartridges are rimfire. If you look at Bazooka Joe's link you'll see the hole to accept the rimfire blank is off centre in the adapter, so the shotgun's centre fire striker hits the blank round's rim. There are blanks in other calibres (8mm is quite common) which are centre fire, but as I said .22 are rimfire.

 

I'd be a bit careful making my own adaptor. There are all sorts of rules with blank firers about them not being forward venting and or "readily convertible". Stick a ball bearing or even air rifle pellet in the front of BJ's one and (arguably if the police wanted a test case) it could be seen to be a section one firearm?

Edited May 2, 2011 by Blunderbuss

[otherwayup]

Blunderbuss, thanks for the tip.

[activeviii]

All .22 blanks and Hilti nail gun cartridges are rimfire. If you look at Bazooka Joe's link you'll see the hole to accept the rimfire blank is off centre in the adapter, so the shotgun's centre fire striker hits the blank round's rim. There are blanks in other calibres (8mm is quite common) which are centre fire, but as I said .22 are rimfire.

 

I'd be a bit careful making my own adaptor. There are all sorts of rules with blank firers about them not being forward venting and or "readily convertible". Stick a ball bearing or even air rifle pellet in the front of BJ's one and (arguably if the police wanted a test case) it could be seen to be a section one firearm?

 

 

i dont under stand that to tell the truth.lol. whats the differance between an adaptor and a shotgun cartridge. not hard to open the end with a knife and put pellets or ball bearing in. thrown me a little this one Dave.lol. not hard to do i hear you say.haha.

the gases from the blank has to go somewhere, you cant have it coming back at you for the only way to vent it would be farward, even if you side vent it will still come need to come out the front end of the pointy stick.

 

when i made mine i did speak to FLO about it can she had to come back to me about it as she didnt know. same with the moderators. same answer really 'as long as i do not make them for other people and do not sell them on after use then im fine' if i wish to give away then that have to be proofed then put on the firearms register.

 

 

Phil.

[Blunderbuss]

Sorry Phil reading back through my post, I can see I didn't explain myself too well. I'll try again but bear with me coz I'm on my phone which is a PITA.

 

With forward venting, I was thinking more of starting pistols and blank firing revolvers etc, rather than shotgun blank adaptors. In these (legal ones anyway) there is never a direct path for the firing gases from the chamber to the muzzle. The gas is always vented through the top strap or side of the cylinder etc deliberately, to make it difficult to adapt them to fire a projectile. Those deemed by the home office to be "readily convertible", as in the recent case of the Olympic BBM pistol, are then banned.

 

As you rightly point out this is more difficult in a shotgun adaptor as there is nowhere other than forward for the gases to go. But I still reckon that technically a 12 bore blank adaptor with a hole bored straight through from the chamber to the "muzzle" ie the front of the adaptor could be classed as a firearm if the home office wanted to get arsey about it?

 

I think that's how commercial adaptors are made, and I suspect its either tolerated, a blind eye turned or the question has never been officially asked. if so you'd probably have a cast iron defence if they changed their view on this and you'd bought such an adaptor from a gun shop, but might be on shakier ground if you'd turned one on a lathe?

 

Another analogy. A rifled barrel blank is licence free until the point a chamber is reamed into it, at which point it must be on an FAC or RFD's register. what is the difference between this and a steel bar turned to fit in a 12 bore with a hole drilled straight through it and chambered to take a .22 round, albeit a blank (although thinking about it, would it accommodate a .22 short, CB or BB cap)? if anything, because of the barrel length it might even be section 5. There may be an exemption in law somewhere for these which I've overlooked and I'd be very happy to be proved wrong.

 

I don't know any of this for a fact, and am definitely not trying to rain on anyone's parade. I'm just mulling it over in my own mind and perhaps urging caution in case anyone got into bother.

 

The trouble is, firearms "offences" are absolute offences in law with no allowance for leniency and the penalties are horrendous so it pays to err on the side of cautions I reckon.

[activeviii]

i think i will make a call to see mr spices take on it as i dont want to be one the wrong side of the law. i did have a look around and did find a few companies that sold the adaptors with an off set hole drilled right though. i looked at the turner Richards one but no phone of end so cant see.

 

thanks for that dave

 

all the best

 

Phil

[Albion]

Well I doubt the forward venting adapter would be an issue because a .22 projectile would be completely lost in a 12g barrel. Although possible to make a 'firearm' it would be completely impractical. Unlike a pistol which would have a barrel of comparable diameter to the projectile. Realistically there would be no advantage in using a .22 rimfire shell instead of a 12g cart. I know the rules are a minefield and the penalties are large, but there has to be an element of common sense applied.