vampire Posted May 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 I set up the zero on the cz .223 today,first lined scope up with the bore at 50 yrds and fired shot that went straight through centre then fired another 3 that went wide left and high so altered till zero then moved to 75 yrds then to 100yrds,finished with a group of 4 in a 2" circle and all 1" high.I used some off cuts of garden sleepers that are 120mm thick and it shoots straight through them,definatly going to need a moderator to reduce the noise and take some of the recoil out to reduce the grouping size,but am very happy with my new rifles performance. Is this grouping good enough for fox and muntjac,judging by the way it knocked the back out of the sleeper and that i would be taking boiler room shots i would say that its more than close enough to do the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 Now that the OP is happy, could we digress a tad? I agree with al4x and nick and mainly because my normal ranges mean little or no holdover. For the guys who "dial in", how much would you expect to pay for a scope to ensure repeatability and is it necessary to to frequent checks to ensure that the accuracy is maintained. I ask because I may just have to step outside of my comfort zone shortly. More than happy by the sound of it, well done, mate. Anybody, please! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewsher500 Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 finished with a group of 4 in a 2" circle and all 1" high.Is this grouping good enough for fox and muntjac, perfectly fine unless you are shooting 2" high foxes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinF Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 finished with a group of 4 in a 2" circle and all 1" high.Is this grouping good enough for fox and muntjac Good enough to start with, but next time you buy some ammo, get a few different brands to try in your rifle. I would say that you should be able to get a 1" group or less at 100 yds once you find a bullet that your rifle likes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 Now that the OP is happy, could we digress a tad? I agree with al4x and nick and mainly because my normal ranges mean little or no holdover. For the guys who "dial in", how much would you expect to pay for a scope to ensure repeatability and is it necessary to to frequent checks to ensure that the accuracy is maintained. I ask because I may just have to step outside of my comfort zone shortly. i dial in for shots over 250 yards on things like crows rabbits and hares as i find you have the time to do it as they dont know your their, i have a richer optick and its a fairly cheap scope i paid around the £100 pound mark and it works fine for me thou i only have dial for 600 yards so thats my limit on any thing, thou i only shoot critters to 400 but targets further. if you look on border barrles web site they have a cool shart you put your ammo in fps and all that and it comes out as a printable chart with both MOA and inches as well as dial in for wind @10 mph so you have to work out 1/2 value or other speeds. stepping out side your comford zone only ads discomfort untill you get good at it then them crows at 350 you would never have had a go at become do-able and in very real danger! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Logic Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 cheap scopes generally do not have precise adjustments. falcon optics are pretty good; the one I had was reliable. going up in price it's Nikon/bushnell/Leupold, and all three have been good. my Nightforce is used at 1000 yards and all ranges up to that, and it's been fabulous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 cheap scopes generally do not have precise adjustments. falcon optics are pretty good; the one I had was reliable. going up in price it's Nikon/bushnell/Leupold, and all three have been good. my Nightforce is used at 1000 yards and all ranges up to that, and it's been fabulous. agree 100% fo you have the spends and a nice wife them go for nightforce or pm11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbust Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 Karl glad you got it sorted mate and it is good to see that you have made a sensible choice as to your method. Some people get so excited about this subject and various people have their own preferred methods and they all seem to work. The 1" high method is tried and tested by many people including myself. At the ranges that you and I are likely to engage a fox it eliminates the need to adjust and there for allows you to concentrate on the target and shoot it. We all know that time allowed on such a target is limited before it moves out of your safe field of fire. Enjoy your rifle mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 cheap scopes generally do not have precise adjustments. falcon optics are pretty good; the one I had was reliable. going up in price it's Nikon/bushnell/Leupold, and all three have been good. my Nightforce is used at 1000 yards and all ranges up to that, and it's been fabulous. This is a major reason why you tend to have to spend a few £, some cheaper scopes (many of mine) have remarkably good optics for the money, but fall down badly when attempting to dial in. I seldom dial in on any of my scopes for several reasons....... First off, there is nothing magical about any of my scopes, so I have little or no faith in them dialing in correctly, or even if they did, they have little or no chance of going back where they started. Secondly, I don't take VERY long shots in the field on the whole, certainly the majority are under 200 yards. I have Mill Dot on all my scopes so other than calibre drop they all look similar, and I generally stick to one type of ammo in each caliber. So I use the dots to good effect through experience. I do a reasonable amount of range work and have good first hand experience of what they all do, out to MUCH further than 200 yards, there are some decent programs to help but nothing gives results quite as informative as live fire. So.. Accurate dialing in usually comes at a price, the Nightforce is legendary for it's rugged build quality and precise clicks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted May 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 Karl glad you got it sorted mate and it is good to see that you have made a sensible choice as to your method. Some people get so excited about this subject and various people have their own preferred methods and they all seem to work. The 1" high method is tried and tested by many people including myself. At the ranges that you and I are likely to engage a fox it eliminates the need to adjust and there for allows you to concentrate on the target and shoot it. We all know that time allowed on such a target is limited before it moves out of your safe field of fire. Enjoy your rifle mate. Thanks again jimmy and i know what you are saying I will have another go when i get a moderator for it to take some of the recoil out,but i am happy with my first 16 shots with a centre fire rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooter Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 Now that the OP is happy, could we digress a tad? I agree with al4x and nick and mainly because my normal ranges mean little or no holdover. For the guys who "dial in", how much would you expect to pay for a scope to ensure repeatability and is it necessary to to frequent checks to ensure that the accuracy is maintained. I ask because I may just have to step outside of my comfort zone shortly. Dialing in is easy, the price comes from needing a scope that returns exactly to the original zero. I use a Bushnell 6500, Falcon Menace, and a Sightron SIII. They all do the job exactly as required, to the distances required, but the Sightron is in a different league in terms of optical quality out to 1000yds. I opted for mildot ret, and I do a lot of target work out to 350yds using the dots, so I don't need to dial in for anything out to that range. When I go out specifically for deer I swap the scope over. Good rings and a rail are a must to do this, and of course a spare scope. As a ball park figure I would allow £600 for a new scope, and I would buy it from the states as you will get a lot more for your money. HTH Cooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 Guys, Thankyou one and all. Plenty of food for thought. Cheers, Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buster223 Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 i have my 223 set at 1" high at 100yards and its 2" low at 300 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 i have my 223 set at 1" high at 100yards and its 2" low at 300 What's your secret? What are you firing and how fast? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buster223 Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 all i use is 55 grain federal ballistic tips from the factory and im using a browning a-bolt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowz Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 (edited) and that's tried and tested or just guessed?? i have my 223 set at 1" high at 100yards and its 2" low at 300 and that's tried and tested or just guessed?? just ran some "rough" figures for this through quickload 100yd zero, .267bc @ 2300fps (generous) gives a 26.2" drop @ 300yds Edited May 15, 2011 by snowz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 all i use is 55 grain federal ballistic tips from the factory and im using a browning a-bolt Giving 1" high at 100yds with a zero of c212yds and with a virtually impossible MV of 3500ft/sec, you still are 4.89" low at 300. With absolutely no offence meant, you may want to check your figures; either that or I'm going to owe you one almighty apology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buster223 Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 and that's tried and tested or just guessed?? yes it is tryed and tested mate shot a fox at that range because it was trying to get a lamb so i just had a go at it befour i shot the fox i didnt no where the bullet was going until i shot the fox and the day after i tryed it and it was spot on i think ive got a picture of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowz Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 yes it is tryed and tested mate shot a fox at that range because it was trying to get a lamb so i just had a go at it befour i shot the fox i didnt no where the bullet was going until i shot the fox and the day after i tryed it and it was spot on i think ive got a picture of it how did you measure that range of 300yds?? not meaning to offend either but something doesn't sound right there! you have less drop than my 260ai pushing a 95gr vmax @ 3400fps with a higher BC better get my 222 out for the long range stuff now then and use factory ammo too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 yes it is tryed and tested mate shot a fox at that range because it was trying to get a lamb so i just had a go at it befour i shot the fox i didnt no where the bullet was going until i shot the fox and the day after i tryed it and it was spot on i think ive got a picture of it Sorry, Buster but I'm having trouble with this; one swallow does not a summer make, you'd need to fire a group. My MV simply isn't on so you just have to be looking at something in excess of 6". Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buster223 Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 (edited) Sorry, Buster but I'm having trouble with this; one swallow does not a summer make, you'd need to fire a group. My MV simply isn't on so you just have to be looking at something in excess of 6". Cheers oh sorry never menchined it fired three shots to see if the first shot was a jammy shot i put 3 through it and there was a grouping of about 1.5" fireing at a target that was about 5" and the bullets were about 2" low Edited May 15, 2011 by Buster223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowz Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 now its getting better 2" drop at 300 yards and a 1.5" group, all with factory ammo and factory rifle @ 300yds how did you measure this 300yds??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buster223 Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 now its getting better 2" drop at 300 yards and a 1.5" group, all with factory ammo and factory rifle @ 300yds how did you measure this 300yds??? i have a bushnell range finder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 i have a bushnell range finder Which end did you look through!? Sorry, mate, facetious. As said you seemed to have backed it all up and I offer my apologies for doubting you. What you could do is have a shufti at the Fededal Cartridges website and look at their fgures for that particular round (it is the Nosler BT) - they say getting on for a 7" drop so they may well like to hear from you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buster223 Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 Which end did you look through!? Sorry, mate, facetious. As said you seemed to have backed it all up and I offer my apologies for doubting you. What you could do is have a shufti at the Fededal Cartridges website and look at their fgures for that particular round (it is the Nosler BT) - they say getting on for a 7" drop so they may well like to hear from you. i might do that also my dad has a 243 an he uses 70 grain b tips and he shot a red deer in th neck at 300 yards aswell in it was suposed ot be about a 8 " drop! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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