team tractor Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 I know I would love fac but I've never found the need but would love a 40 ftlb .22 just for fun and test different ranges out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxiDriver Posted May 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 I've measured out a piece of cord this morning to 38 metres, reason being was that was twice the length of my garden and happened to be exactly the length of the bit of cord I found in the shed. We then took it out in the street and had it out straight and it looks a fair distance I shall use that cord to mark out a range down the farm firstly to zero over that distance and then to mark out an ambush position for various rabbit burrows on the permission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8shot Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 ok why not....if i can take rabbits at 60yds with a .177 sub.12ft/lb why wouldnt a gun of that power be able to shoot at them distances Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Downie Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 I've often wondered if FAC air is really worth the bother, given that (in practical terms) it only increases working range by about 10-15yds over a good sub-12ft/lb. First of all there's all the hoops to jump through to get the FAC, then if you lose your permission you pretty much have to sell the gun too, and selling an FAC air rifle isn't easy. Then there's increased noise, reduced shot count etc. More bother than it's worth, if you ask me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 if i had a fac air, i`d just bother with .25 and 31 grain barracuda/bisley magnums at 900fps. that would be worth the hassle of getting fac. .22 is alright. .25 would just edge it above "longer" distances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_R Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 I've often wondered if FAC air is really worth the bother, given that (in practical terms) it only increases working range by about 10-15yds over a good sub-12ft/lb. First of all there's all the hoops to jump through to get the FAC, then if you lose your permission you pretty much have to sell the gun too, and selling an FAC air rifle isn't easy. Then there's increased noise, reduced shot count etc. More bother than it's worth, if you ask me... There is a lot to be said for your train of thought, many would agree with you. However, now I have a FAC airgun I would say there is more going for it than you think. The range is extended by more like 20 yards on an average day, and more in the right conditions with a good rifleman. Also you have a lot more latitude for shot placement, ie you do not always have to be waiting for the perfect headshot. The noise is not that much louder, and is offset by the extra range. In fact the impact of the pellet is just as noisy as the sound of the gun. If the only reason why you might request grant of FAC is for this rifle then you might have a point, but why stop there? Also, having an FAC will open doors and you would hopefully end up with more permissions, so that doomsday scenario of having to give up is less likely to occur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 if i had a fac air, i`d just bother with .25 and 31 grain barracuda/bisley magnums at 900fps. that would be worth the hassle of getting fac. .22 is alright. .25 would just edge it above "longer" distances. is that 56 ftlbs ? that would be usable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 Blimey! theres a lot of advice from those who don't actually have one here. FYI 45 yds is a hard shot with a .22 12ft lb gun in the field, for pities sake FT shooters miss 40mm kill zones regular at 45-55 yds and that 1 1/2" far bigger than the clean kill zone. 12 ft lb .22 cal is best at up to 35 yds were it is still reasonbly flat and reasonably predictable on windage - 30 ft lb will take that to 55yds. they can both stretch that range in the right hands, on the right day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Downie Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 FYI 45 yds is a hard shot with a .22 12ft lb gun in the field Sorry - I have to take issue with that! Any decent sub-12ft/lb with the right pellets (.177 or .22) and a calm day, on a bipod, should group consistently at 45yds - it's not hard at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 Sorry - I have to take issue with that! Any decent sub-12ft/lb with the right pellets (.177 or .22) and a calm day, on a bipod, should group consistently at 45yds - it's not hard at all. On paper yes, in field situations 12 ft lbs at 45 yards is marginal unless in outrageously good hands with outrageously calm conditions and rabbits . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 why not....if i can take rabbits at 60yds with a .177 sub.12ft/lb why wouldnt a gun of that power be able to shoot at them distances Perhaps TaxiDriver would be kind enough to lend you his cord sometimes . You may well have shot rabbits at that range as it is possible both to hit and have just about enough energy left to do the job but I would seriously ask you to stop doing it routinely unless you can`t get any closer and have no way of obtaining FAC air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 if i had a fac air, i`d just bother with .25 and 31 grain barracuda/bisley magnums at 900fps. that would be worth the hassle of getting fac. .22 is alright. .25 would just edge it above "longer" distances. I think some more experience will show you a .25 is an excellent rat gun, end of! At the sort of power you are talking about it has NO use for rats at all, and still has an arc like falling off a cliff. You will never get 2 shots the same power out of it (despite what the manufacturers would have you believe) and you will have to carry an Air bottle around with you to keep it topped up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 Sorry - I have to take issue with that! Any decent sub-12ft/lb with the right pellets (.177 or .22) and a calm day, on a bipod, should group consistently at 45yds - it's not hard at all. If you don't think its hard to fire a first single shot into a 45 yd target with a 12 ft lb sporting type air rifle in the field, you either need more experiance of your limitations in the field or to enter and win most of those hft comps. i have shot fancy ft rigs among the best in the world spending an eternity rangefinding at silly high mag scopes and believe me misses are not uncommon. remember a ft kill zone is 40mm (1 1/2") at 55yds - the maximum range set and you just don't see too many clear rounds occuring. Whats all this about bipods, calm days etc? Groups are meaningless in the field we call a single aimed shot, our first and last and only shot. Well rested indoors a modern quality 12 ftlb gun will make a raggy hole of a group- world of difference out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 I think some more experience will show you a .25 is an excellent rat gun, end of! At the sort of power you are talking about it has NO use for rats at all, and still has an arc like falling off a cliff. You will never get 2 shots the same power out of it (despite what the manufacturers would have you believe) and you will have to carry an Air bottle around with you to keep it topped up! Dekkers, Get the wording " If i had" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxiDriver Posted May 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 I would think there's a likelyhood of certain instances where FAC air would be a safer option than 22lr FAC Air has a comfortable margin over the sensible maximum you Could achieve with sub 12ft/lbs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Downie Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 If you don't think its hard to fire a first single shot into a 45 yd target with a 12 ft lb sporting type air rifle in the field, you either need more experiance of your limitations in the field or to enter and win most of those hft comps. i have shot fancy ft rigs among the best in the world spending an eternity rangefinding at silly high mag scopes and believe me misses are not uncommon. remember a ft kill zone is 40mm (1 1/2") at 55yds - the maximum range set and you just don't see too many clear rounds occuring. Whats all this about bipods, calm days etc? Groups are meaningless in the field we call a single aimed shot, our first and last and only shot. Well rested indoors a modern quality 12 ftlb gun will make a raggy hole of a group- world of difference out there Blimey - you make it sound like shooting bunnies is like being in 'Nam! I miss often in HFT, because devious course setters place targets in difficult places and rules apply which force you to shoot from a difficult position, or unsupported standing etc. But I seldom miss when out hunting, because I lie down and take time to measure ranges, use a bipod, wait for the target to be motionless and in the open, and frequently choose not to shoot at all if conditions arent just right. So yes, in my opinion if you find it hard to shoot your first shot on target at 45yds, you shouldn't be out hunting at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 I had another 48yrd pigeon today at work and shoot 99% of them but I admit I shoot from the same place at the same tree everyday and know my paper target on the tree is 2 mildots zero and only go for head shots and calm days so if I miss its not wounded. I would like 30ftlbs but not sure on back stops ? How far would it go? The farmers gave me permisson to use my 12g in the yard:) so roll on dinner time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 I had another 48yrd pigeon today at work and shoot 99% of them but I admit I shoot from the same place at the same tree everyday and know my paper target on the tree is 2 mildots zero and only go for head shots and calm days so if I miss its not wounded. I would like 30ftlbs but not sure on back stops ? How far would it go? The farmers gave me permisson to use my 12g in the yard:) so roll on dinner time Come off it, how can you garantee only clean kills or clean misses. do you only miss high A 30ft lb .22 cal will not get more than 400yds shot at the perfect angle (prob less as this is calculated on no tumble) when it comes down it has no real amount of energy though. At 100yds over flat ground depending on pellet and condtions a .22 slug has lost around half of the muzzle energy and this is the very reason most people own them, for locations with less than good backstops and shooting into trees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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