Ballie Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 (edited) I have just bought a Tikka T3 lite Stainless/Synthetic in .243, I am thinking of putting a sound moderator on it and was thinking of either a Reflex T4 or T8, can anyone tell me which would suit best? Also does a sound moderator increase or decrease rifles accuracy? And can anyone recommend a gunsmith you can do the job well in Norfolk? Why do some gunsmiths say the rifle needs reproofing and some say it doesn't? Edited April 5, 2006 by Ballie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 T8, think you will find the T4 is designed for .223 max. a silencer neather increases or decreases a rifles accuracy. It just changes the harmonics of the barrel and as such might mean another round may shoot better with a silencer fitted. When my dad fitted his T4 to his .222 he noticed a drop in accuracy, where as when we fitted the T8 to the 6.5x55 he noticed an increase in accuracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 <should> get more accurate, but not always as Nick said. No, you don't have to have either proofed or reproofed, unless you sell them, and even then you can state they are unproofed. In other words don't tey selling them as proofed if they are not :*) If you don't find a local riflesmith I can recommend one who will do it for £50 + p&p (you just post him the barrel and he does the rest) and he get it back to you the next day - and he is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 (edited) Baillie, I have a T8 on my Tikka T3 .243 and I can't fault it. Sound moderation is very good, balance changes are hardly noticeable. I'm just having my .270 screwed and proofed for a T8 also. Both mine have been re-proofed because I like to know everything is perfect if I ever come to sell the kit. One thing I found, is that removing and replacing my T8 does not change the point of aim at all....which I think is extremely important. Edited April 5, 2006 by Browning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballie Posted April 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Thanks for help so far guys, I think you can get a T4 in .243 has anyone out there got a T4 fitted to this cal? I would like to know if the sound reduction on the T4 is much different from a T8. I am just thinking of weight V sound reduction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 My mate has just finished a phone call earlier today saying how bad his T8 is as he has had less than 200 rounds down it and already it is rusting badly. This may be a problem for him but I think if you do a search on this site and you will find not more than a month or two ago some pictures. That is why I am now the proud owner of a Wildcat mod,if it rusts or is in anyway bad I will be the first to tell it on these pages with full colour piccys,and an apology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mry716 Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 <should> get more accurate, but not always as Nick said. No, you don't have to have either proofed or reproofed, unless you sell them, and even then you can state they are unproofed. In other words don't tey selling them as proofed if they are not :*) If you don't find a local riflesmith I can recommend one who will do it for £50 + p&p (you just post him the barrel and he does the rest) and he get it back to you the next day - and he is good. Sorry but you cannot sell a gun that is unproofed - there are no exceptions other than a sale to an RFD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mry716 Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Thanks for help so far guys, I think you can get a T4 in .243 has anyone out there got a T4 fitted to this cal? I would like to know if the sound reduction on the T4 is much different from a T8. I am just thinking of weight V sound reduction. The T8 will give improved sound reduction albeit for a slight increase in weight. If you choose to go for a T8 I may be able to save you £50. I have a new (unfitted) T8 for £160 suitable for calibres up to 25Cal T8 / 6.18 / 1/2" x 28 UNEF / 22mm dia (up to 25 mm) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kip270 Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 (edited) Go for the T8 use mine on my .222 & .270, no change in accuracy and as long as you look after it is shouldn't rust. The T4 only has 4 baffles and the T8 8 baffles, so the more baffles the better the sound reduction Edited April 5, 2006 by kip270 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 <should> get more accurate, but not always as Nick said. No, you don't have to have either proofed or reproofed, unless you sell them, and even then you can state they are unproofed. In other words don't tey selling them as proofed if they are not :*) If you don't find a local riflesmith I can recommend one who will do it for £50 + p&p (you just post him the barrel and he does the rest) and he get it back to you the next day - and he is good. Sorry but you cannot sell a gun that is unproofed - there are no exceptions other than a sale to an RFD this should be intresting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Thanks for help so far guys, I think you can get a T4 in .243 has anyone out there got a T4 fitted to this cal? I would like to know if the sound reduction on the T4 is much different from a T8. I am just thinking of weight V sound reduction. So long as it's stamped accordingly at the rear of the moderator BOTH T4 and T8 are rated for sporting and target rifles up to 30-06 Spr. T4 extends over the barrel by 65mm and weighs 580g T8 extends over the barrel by 100mm and weighs 670g Just to fan the flames a bit you can't sell a gun that is KNOWINGLY out of proof Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 For what it is worth, I reckon mry is right on the proofing question. I didn't bother as I don't intend to sell the gun.. And I wouldn't get my deer rifle cut, I like it the way it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Sorry but you cannot sell a gun that is unproofed - there are no exceptions other than a sale to an RFD The problem here is how does the RFD know the firearm will pass at the proof house . There could be terms agreed prior to sale but I feel the RFD will sign the gun back in and send it away for proofing and await the results before agreeing to any sale . Best advice is that you can't sell a gun out of proof to ANYONE ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mry716 Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 If you go to a gun sale there are often stock and actions for sale because the guns are out of proof you are not allowed to have the barrels BUT an RFD can. In the same way and RFD can buy or otherwise acquire a weapon that is out of proof and then sell it on to another RFD without reproofing it but should it be sold to a FAC or SGC holder it must first be re-proofed. There are no other exceptions for normal circumstances for those that hold a SGC or a FAC. Remember................ Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballie Posted April 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 Having now read up a bit more about it and read the advise thats been given here I think I will go for a T8, I have found a local gunsmith who will supply and fit for £200 (Richard Smith - Alsham Norfolk) it will not be reproofed but if I want to sell the rifle I will get the barrel reproofed, as far as I understand the silencer is not part of the barrel so it does not need reproofing, you can read all about this on http://www.reflexsuppressors.co.uk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilishdave Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 (edited) If thats supply fit and cut threads? I would have his hand off for £200 Dave Edited April 9, 2006 by Devilishdave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 If thats supply fit and cut threads? I would have his hand off for £200 Dave £250 is what I paid ..............Without reproofing costs CHECK IT HAS 30 CAL STAMPED ON THE REAR ...........and not 25 cal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlin.45 Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 Sounds fair and my PES on the .243 has no proof marks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mry716 Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 (edited) CHECK IT HAS 30 CAL STAMPED ON THE REAR ...........and not 25 cal Why when it is for a 243? A 30 cal silencer will be less efective !?! Edited April 10, 2006 by mry716 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miffy Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 Not sure if this is relevant any more but in the last week i have had a chat with 2 gunsmiths about getting a T8 silencer fitted to my new rifle.....Both stated that the T8 is not worth a rub. The gunsmith i was talking to tonight strongly advised against getting one fitted due to corrosion and proofing problems. I don't think i'll be buying a T8 mod for my rifle then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 CHECK IT HAS 30 CAL STAMPED ON THE REAR ...........and not 25 cal Why when it is for a 243? A 30 cal silencer will be less efective !?! Quote Miffy Not sure if this is relevant any more but in the last week i have had a chat with 2 gunsmiths about getting a T8 silencer fitted to my new rifle.....Both stated that the T8 is not worth a rub. The gunsmith i was talking to tonight strongly advised against getting one fitted due to corrosion and proofing problems. I don't think i'll be buying a T8 mod for my rifle then Should you aquire a larger calibre in the futre then you have the option of using the same moderator for it and not having to fork out for another £200. Miffy At the end of the day there will be pros and cons to the main 3 moderator s .......Best bet is to research opinions on the users who have them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miffy Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 (edited) Miffy At the end of the day there will be pros and cons to the main 3 moderator s .......Best bet is to research opinions on the users who have them Ive i have used a T8 moderator and was pleased with its performance.........But the both gunsmiths mentioned substandard welds which in my book is never a good thing, both have used them and both will sell me one as its my choice as to what i buy and its money in their pocket ......but both strongly advised against. I have limited knowledge with one but these guys know what they are talking about. One mentioned the amount of them that he has seen fail proofing. He said he has heard of gunshops saying that they dont need proofing (because they know of the inherent problems when proofing these moderators) and a few other comments he made about them. Just made me think twice really thats all Edited April 10, 2006 by miffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chriminator Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 chris at wymondham norfolk sporting guns is real good at his job. may pay to check there too.chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Dog Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 T4 was designed for .222 & .223 nothing above. So don't put it on a 243 waste of money. T8 or something better for the 243. I never knew the moderator required proofing just the gun once screw cut?? Wow!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 i believe the reflex dont require proofing and they are proofed where they are made and our proof house has a arangement with them which means they dont require re-proofing when they come to this country. But i cant recall where i read this, so dont hold me to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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