German sport guns

[Daveo26]

Iv been reading in the gun mags about these guns, they are .22 LR H&K and AK lookalikes.

I don't get it at all.

Why would you want a rimfire that looks like an assault rifle?

What do they offer that a standard 10/22 can't do? apart from satisfying some kind of child like need to play armies?

Im not in favour of getting anything that is a legitimate pastime banned but do we really need guns like this?

What sort of picture does it portray to the none shooting public?

I understand they are used in competitions called mini rifle?

I'v no experience of that but.......

I once tried PSG (practical shotgun) and I have to say it didnt float my boat.

It was quite novel to begin with, but it turned a little odd and it felt too "military" for my liking.

Again if people enjoy it as a legitimate pastime, Fair play to them.

I don't want to come across as an "anti" but I feel these types of shooting could be another nail in the coffin for all shooting.

I would like to hear from people who practise these types of shooting and hope this thread does not cause irritation to them.

Edited June 5, 2011 by Daveo26

[Blunderbuss]

Mate, this has been done to death very recently on this thread. Every shade of opinion one way or another was voiced on there. Go and have a read, I doubt another thread on the subject will cover any new ground If I was to make a Mystic Meg stylee prediction, I reckon there's a very good chance this will be closed by the mods.

Edited June 5, 2011 by Blunderbuss

[rarms]

Why would you want a rimfire that looks like an assault rifle?

 

Why not?

 

What sort of picture does it portray to the none shooting public?

 

It portrays the image that we live in a country where I can still spend my money on what I like, and not be told that I can only own a gun with a wooden stock in case I offend someone.

 

I understand they are used in competitions called mini rifle?

I'v no experience of that but.......

I once tried PSG (practical shotgun) and I have to say it didnt float my boat.

It was quite novel to begin with, but it turned a little odd and it felt too "military" for my liking.

 

I might not like the idea of shooting 300 pigeons in a day and then going online to brag about it, but that doesn't make it wrong.

 

I don't want to come across as an "anti" but I feel these types of shooting could be another nail in the coffin for all shooting.

 

Maybe there wouldn't be another nail in the coffin if people didn't think they would only worry about or support the type of shooting that they enjoy! I would suggest that there are more antis out there annoyed about you shooting masses of pigeons in one afternoon than there are worrying that I might have a black rifle in my cabinet!

[Daveo26]

Mate, this has been done to death very recently on this thread. Every shade of opinion one way or another was voiced on there. Go and have a read, I doubt another thread on the subject will cover any new ground If I was to make a Mystic Meg stylee prediction, I reckon there's a very good chance this will be closed by the mods.

 

I did'nt know that, I will have a read.

[Daveo26]

Why not?

 

We could answer each others questions with other questions all day long, Iv stated my point

 

It portrays the image that we live in a country where I can still spend my money on what I like, and not be told that I can only own a gun with a wooden stock in case I offend someone.

 

Thats a constructive argument, You can get AKs with wooden or plastic furniture, but that wasnt the question. I'll clarify: What do you think none shooters would make of someone who owns an assault rifle copy ?

 

I might not like the idea of shooting 300 pigeons in a day and then going online to brag about it, but that doesn't make it wrong.

I didnt say anything was wrong, I said It wasnt for me

 

Maybe there wouldn't be another nail in the coffin if people didn't think they would only worry about or support the type of shooting that they enjoy! I would suggest that there are more antis out there annoyed about you shooting masses of pigeons in one afternoon than there are worrying that I might have a black rifle in my cabinet!

A black rifle is not a worry, An AK, H&K or M16 Clone that serves no purpose other than it looks like a macho gun is a little odd to me, I support all field sports but I cant support what I don't understand hence this thread

[Dr_Scholl]

Here's how I see it: it's their money, and they shouldn't have to cater their hobby around someone elses ignorance.

[Scully]

This has been covered in some detail already.

If we're going to start banning things because of their appearance,where do we stop?You say an AK,H&K or M16 clone serves no purpose other than looking like a macho gun is a little odd to you.So is that good enough reason to ban them,because you find them odd?

They serve a legitimate purpose in a legitimate sport,and as you state you're not infavour of getting a legitimate pastime banned.If this is the case I fail to see what you're getting at.

I'll bet they make a cracking lamping tool from a vehicle.

[RC45]

Why would some people want a Red car, clearly Black is the only choice to make :hmm:

[Daveo26]

I dont want anything banned I just dont understand why they exist.

So far there have been no compelling arguments for them other than its a freedom of choice thing, which I dont despute.

As for making a cracking lamping tool, Do you mean like a Ruger 10/22 does with out looking like an AK?

Edited June 5, 2011 by Daveo26

[Daveo26]

They serve a legitimate purpose in a legitimate sport,and as you state you're not infavour of getting a legitimate pastime banned.If this is the case I fail to see what you're getting at.

 

What is the legitimate sport? Mini rifle?

[RC45]

What is the legitimate sport? Mini rifle?

 

25 yard competitions. At our club the GSG beat everything last year, period! But of course, I bet your the sort that thinks the only place for guns is in the field, dressed in your commando gear

[Daveo26]

I just read my original post and realised it read "to irritate" I did mean not to irritate I haved edited it.

RC45, not at all I enjoy competitive clay shooting and shot HFT before that.

Iv nothing against mini rifle in that case, I still dont understand why people want to use a gun dressed up to be something that its not.

[RC45]

I just read my original post and realised it read "to irritate" I did mean not to irritate I haved edited it.

RC45, not at all I enjoy competitive clay shooting and shot HFT before that.

Iv nothing against mini rifle in that case, I still dont understand why people want to use a gun dressed up to be something that its not.

 

It's no worse than dressing in camo. If your ever in Northants and you want to try a Mini Rifle, give me a call. I bet you would be surprised by their effectiveness.

[Scully]

Isn't shooting a legitimate sport?Isn't pest control a legitimate purpose?And yes,I do mean just like a 10/22 Ruger.The fact it looks like a military type weapon is neither here nor there.

[Daveo26]

It's no worse than dressing in camo. If your ever in Northants and you want to try a Mini Rifle, give me a call. I bet you would be surprised by their effectiveness.

 

Camo is a difficult one.

I wear an old DPM jacket for pigeoning because its got loads of pockets and the concealment helps........but someone kitted out from head to toe in the pub wearing it for no reason...........Yes thats odd to me too, which is kind of my point about these guns.

If I am ever in Norhtants, I will.

Edited June 6, 2011 by Daveo26

[Daveo26]

Isn't shooting a legitimate sport?Isn't pest control a legitimate purpose?And yes,I do mean just like a 10/22 Ruger.The fact it looks like a military type weapon is neither here nor there.

 

Yes and yes then eh, no.

Its the very fact that its an exact clone that raises questions.

All guns look like guns but why (I feel we are covering old ground here) do some people who shoot mini rifle like to used a gun that is a replica of an assault rifle?

You seem to be trying to justify it but none of your arguments stand up.

If its just because they are practical then why not use a 10/22?

[phaedra1106]

My GSG-5 SD isn't dressed up to be anything, it's a reduced calibre version of one of the most sucessful rifle designs (that unfortunately we can't own here) and is supposed to look like that!

 

Back in the "good old days" I was fortunate enough to have a semi-auto HK-91, it was simply one of the best rifles I've ever shot, nothing to do with how it looked just the fact it was a superbly designed rifle. I've now got a Steyr SSG-04, another "black" rifle and again it's down to the fact that like most Steyr rifles it's designed for accuracy, the fact it doesn't have a wood stock is neither here nor there.

 

I'm also about to own a Marlin 1894 Cowboy, that's about as far from "black" rifles as you can get Again it's choice was down to being a well proven design.

[RC45]

Daveo26, your clearly not an enthusiast but merely someone who takes part in field sports. You have no idea of the various disciplines within the sport. Try having a look on the NRA or NSRA websites. I suppose you have only heard of BASC or CPSA???

[RC45]

Have a look at this FCSA absolutely no purpose, guaranteed NOT to float your boat, but has a worldwide following :hmm:

 

I'm off to bed!

[Scully]

Yes and yes then eh, no.

Its the very fact that its an exact clone that raises questions.

All guns look like guns but why (I feel we are covering old ground here) do some people who shoot mini rifle like to used a gun that is a replica of an assault rifle?

You seem to be trying to justify it but none of your arguments stand up.

If its just because they are practical then why not use a 10/22?

Do you really just not get it,or are you simply trolling?

I can't justify something that requires no justification,it's simply a matter of personal choice.How much clearer can I make it?

It's a clone...so what?They ARE practical,but if you want a 10/22,then get one;if you want a military clone,then get one.What is the problem?

[ellebarto]

I'm a fan of the military looking rifles. I've owned the GSG although I was concerned how it was perceived in the field and rarely used it out of the range. On reflection I think I bought it because it did appeal to me on a childish level however that isn't because I wanted to use it on a childish level.

 

When I did use it in the field it was short, stubby and was accurate. It did however look intimidating (in my opinion) However the Ruger I replaced it with and the banana clip is no less threatening I would say, just more accurate over distance.

 

In short and based on ownership my personal opinion is they are great 'fun' guns whoose use might be best limited to ranges with like minded people but I dont see why you cant use them in the field if used in the right fashion as any FAC holder should be doing anyway!

 

I think its very dangerous to question the need for a gun based on its looks! My Marlin .357 probably wont see many Bears or Buffalo's for instance!!!

[phaedra1106]

My Marlin .357 probably wont see many Bears or Buffalo's for instance!!!

 

That's cos you don't live up here in t'north I'm looking forward to getting my .44 Marlin when they are back in stock in July, just in time for Bear and Mountain Lion season up in Northumberland lol

Edited June 6, 2011 by phaedra1106

[Imperfection]

 

Why would you want a rimfire that looks like an assault rifle?

Because life would be everso dull if we liked the same thing.

 

What do they offer that a standard 10/22 can't do? apart from satisfying some kind of child like need to play armies?

Nothing at all apart from their looks,but why should everyone have to own Rugers? Do you work for Ruger and are secretly ridding the world of the opposition?

 

Im not in favour of getting anything that is a legitimate pastime banned but do we really need guns like this?

Yes.

 

What sort of picture does it portray to the none shooting public?

Who cares what others think.Anti gun people will still hate guns if they were painted pink with yellow flowers and teddy bears hanging off the magazines.

 

I understand they are used in competitions called mini rifle?

I'v no experience of that but.......

But what?

 

I once tried PSG (practical shotgun) and I have to say it didnt float my boat.

Like i said previously-wouldnt life be dull if we liked the same thing.It dont float my boat either,but i know some people love doing it and i would never deny them it.

 

Again if people enjoy it as a legitimate pastime, Fair play to them.

Good to hear you've changed your mind.

 

I don't want to come across as an "anti" but I feel these types of shooting could be another nail in the coffin for all shooting.

Why? A gun is a gun whether its clad in wood furniture or plastic.If people are so blinkered by appearance then thats their problem.

[Daveo26]

My GSG-5 SD isn't dressed up to be anything, it's a reduced calibre version of one of the most sucessful rifle designs (that unfortunately we can't own here) and is supposed to look like that!

 

Back in the "good old days" I was fortunate enough to have a semi-auto HK-91, it was simply one of the best rifles I've ever shot, nothing to do with how it looked just the fact it was a superbly designed rifle. I've now got a Steyr SSG-04, another "black" rifle and again it's down to the fact that like most Steyr rifles it's designed for accuracy, the fact it doesn't have a wood stock is neither here nor there.

 

I'm also about to own a Marlin 1894 Cowboy, that's about as far from "black" rifles as you can get Again it's choice was down to being a well proven design.

 

Good point well put, I understand where your coming from

Daveo26, your clearly not an enthusiast but merely someone who takes part in field sports. You have no idea of the various disciplines within the sport. Try having a look on the NRA or NSRA websites. I suppose you have only heard of BASC or CPSA???

An enthusiast of what? Im passionate about most forms of shooting and fieldsports, if pushed I would defend them to the end, I would even defend your right to own and use GSGs but

if an anti gun nut asked me why people need these guns I genuinely would'nt know what to tell them. I wanted a balanced opinion and basically all I got was "because we can" sort of attitude, Im glad now there are some fair and honest replies which is all I wanted.

I havent looked into these sports because as stated above they just don't interest me.

Edited June 6, 2011 by Daveo26

[Daveo26]

Imperfection,

Do you shoot Mini Rifle? or do you own this type of gun?

Its pointless for me to argue some of the things you typed above because they are silly

This bit I feel needs addressing.

I asked:

What sort of picture does it portray to the none shooting public?

You reply;

Who cares what others think.Anti gun people will still hate guns if they were painted pink with yellow flowers and teddy bears hanging off the magazines.

I agree an "anti" by their very nature are anti but what about a member of the none shooting public?

They could see a man in a field shooting rabbits with a .22 and not give it a seconds thought.

or they could see a man in a field with a machine gun and want to scramble a Eurofighter Typhoon.