Daveo26 Posted June 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Have a look at this FCSA absolutely no purpose, guaranteed NOT to float your boat, but has a worldwide following :hmm: I'm off to bed! Thats long distance, big calibre target shooting. Its purpose is competiton. I think its over kill and not really necessary but its been going on since guns were invented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Good point well put, I understand where your coming from An enthusiast of what? Im passionate about most forms of shooting and fieldsports, if pushed I would defend them to the end, I would even defend your right to own and use GSGs but if an anti gun nut asked me why people need these guns I genuinely would'nt know what to tell them. I wanted a balanced opinion and basically all I got was "because we can" sort of attitude, Im glad now there are some fair and honest replies which is all I wanted. I havent looked into these sports because as stated above they just don't interest me. I think you have also missed one important point here, one that has been sadly missed on other threads too... Some people like guns, me included. There is nothing wrong with that, it doesn't detract from the person etc.. I could ask why do people (who can afford them) buy Porsches, Feraris & Lambourghinis? They can never legally use the cars in the way they were designed. They buy them because they like how they look and it makes them feel all warm and fuzzy inside.. No different to guns.. There is quite a strong asthetic appeal to them. I have in my cabinet a Sako TRG with S&B PMII sat atop, nice big muzzle break... an out and out military sniping platform in both looks and operation, I love it could look at it all day as well as squeeze her trigger and fiddle with her bolt all day... If we use your logic and attitude then it shouldn't be available to me BUT, it makes a superb long range target rifle and it is just about light enough to stalk with (occasionally) at the end of the day, it is just a bolt action rifle with a black composite stock... it would probably scare more members of the public than a GSG.. We cannot ban things because some find thier look distasteful or sends 'the wrong message' if that was the case everything would have to go. This is just another example of shooter paranoia! There is no evidence that the public find these types of weapon any more distasteful than a ruger, probably because the public just see a gun.... they ain't interested, they don't know a semi auto assault rifle from an open sighted single feed match rifle... they just see GUN... That is, when they ever see one, most members of the public have never seen a real firearm, they only know what hollywood shows them. it is you (and you are not alone) that is projecting this 'image' of what is acceptable or not out towards the public... it doesn't come in the other way round! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZ550Kevlar Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 (edited) I pride myself on the fact I have acquired some pretty impressive rifles and shotguns just purely for the fact I appreciate them for what they are iconic good looking guns, this applies to rifles and shotguns perceived as "military issue". I do it because I can! Edited June 6, 2011 by CZ550Kevlar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveo26 Posted June 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 I think you have also missed one important point here, one that has been sadly missed on other threads too... Some people like guns, me included. There is nothing wrong with that, it doesn't detract from the person etc.. I could ask why do people (who can afford them) buy Porsches, Feraris & Lambourghinis? They can never legally use the cars in the way they were designed. They buy them because they like how they look and it makes them feel all warm and fuzzy inside.. No different to guns.. There is quite a strong asthetic appeal to them. I have in my cabinet a Sako TRG with S&B PMII sat atop, nice big muzzle break... an out and out military sniping platform in both looks and operation, I love it could look at it all day as well as squeeze her trigger and fiddle with her bolt all day... If we use your logic and attitude then it shouldn't be available to me BUT, it makes a superb long range target rifle and it is just about light enough to stalk with (occasionally) at the end of the day, it is just a bolt action rifle with a black composite stock... it would probably scare more members of the public than a GSG.. We cannot ban things because some find thier look distasteful or sends 'the wrong message' if that was the case everything would have to go. This is just another example of shooter paranoia! There is no evidence that the public find these types of weapon any more distasteful than a ruger, probably because the public just see a gun.... they ain't interested, they don't know a semi auto assault rifle from an open sighted single feed match rifle... they just see GUN... That is, when they ever see one, most members of the public have never seen a real firearm, they only know what hollywood shows them. it is you (and you are not alone) that is projecting this 'image' of what is acceptable or not out towards the public... it doesn't come in the other way round! Yeah, fair enough. Id not thought of it like that. Please be honest here if your Sako TRG with S&B PMII was actually a cz452 in .22 lr dressed up to look like a Sako would it be in your cabinet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveo26 Posted June 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 I pride myself on the fact I have acquired some pretty impressive rifles and shotguns just purely for the fact I appreciate them for what they are iconic good looking guns, this applies to rifles and shotguns perceived as "military issue". I do it because I can! And long may you do so I fail to see your point because I think you failed to see mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Imperfection, Do you shoot Mini Rifle? or do you own this type of gun? Not my own,but i am swayed towards black guns and will no doubt stick a variation at some point.I regard them like my 357 Winchester-a fun gun. Its pointless for me to argue some of the things you typed above because they are silly. Whats so silly? I anwsered your questions truthfully.You asked-i anwsered. I agree an "anti" by their very nature are anti but what about a member of the none shooting public? They could see a man in a field shooting rabbits with a .22 and not give it a seconds thought. or they could see a man in a field with a machine gun and want to scramble a Eurofighter Typhoon. Think about the Cumbrian shootings and what that chap said to tv crews.He reported seeing someone with a 'James Bond styled rifle with scope and silencer' which was actually just a boggo standard CZ.Thats how blinkered many members of public are because they're so mentally detached from firearms now and they asume its like something they see on tv.Besides,most people who own black guns use them for range work where they're in the company of like minded shooters so unless its an open day-the public just dont get to see them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Tell you what Daveo26.Ask yourself why you have the guns you have,and the justification for having those guns.You've just answered your own questions! What justification can there be in buuilding a car or bike which is capable of twice the legal speed limit in this country?And what reason can anyone have for owning such a thing?Same answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZ550Kevlar Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 And long may you do so I fail to see your point because I think you failed to see mine. The point you are trying to make is why make/posses guns that look like something military issue, a question that yes is valid and my answer still stands, these guns are iconic and alot of shooters appreciate them, the fact that they are mostly as accurate as a blunderbuss is not the point, the fact is that if people can`t get a ticket for 5.56 or .223 to buy these guns they go for the next alternative which is .22RF, the market was there and the manufactuers filled that, i guess you could call these people in a broad sense connoisseurs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the running man Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 The point you are trying to make is why make/posses guns that look like something military issue, a question that yes is valid and my answer still stands, these guns are iconic and alot of shooters appreciate them, the fact that they are mostly as accurate as a blunderbuss is not the point, the fact is that if people can`t get a ticket for 5.56 or .223 to buy these guns they go for the next alternative which is .22RF, the market was there and the manufactuers filled that, i guess you could call these people in a broad sense connoisseurs. kev/davo26 i hope youre not refering to my nearly 100 year old p17 in 30-06,as issued to the first world war yanks,this is a military gun is it not? and it shoots as good now as the day it was made,i can consitently put v bulls in at 600 yrds,(1000 yards is harder,i need my m8 to act as spoter for me!!) is this rifle acceptable?? its a black gun aint it? i must be rambo then?? surely i want to be a ninja? ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm do me a favour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 I haven't bothered reading all the posts on this thread, i hardly need too! If it floats someones boat then why not? just because it doesn't fit someone elses description of a SPORTING rifle, why get all nazi on their anus? I find it very sad, and very BORING, that someone has nothing better to do than start yet another thread on assault rifle "lookalike" rimfires, you may not like them, i'm not a great fan either, but so what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 if you want to see something really sad then try your local air rifle field target club, some really sad ******* out there get dressed up in all their cammo gear to shoot metal pigeons! Duhh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the running man Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 if you want to see something really sad then try your local air rifle field target club, some really sad ******* out there get dressed up in all their cammo gear to shoot metal pigeons! Duhh! on a lighter note,have u ever tried feild target gram? its really hard,uve got to zero 1st,then its all diff distances heights etc,i found it really hard!! so i never tried it again!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Yeah, fair enough. Id not thought of it like that. Please be honest here if your Sako TRG with S&B PMII was actually a cz452 in .22 lr dressed up to look like a Sako would it be in your cabinet? Erm... no... 'cos I cant shoot Taliban insurgents oops.... I mean targets at 1000 meters with a .22 :yp::unsure: I do have a slot on my ticket for a .22 and am, I'm sad to say seriously considering one of these rather than a 'sporting' rifle. Wouldn't dream of using it in the field but for snap shooting competitions, mini rifle etc.. they can't be beat and are great fun! May even wear some cammo troos when I'm doing it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the running man Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Erm... no... 'cos I cant shoot Taliban insurgents oops.... I mean targets at 1000 meters with a .22 :yp::unsure: I do have a slot on my ticket for a .22 and am, I'm sad to say seriously considering one of these rather than a 'sporting' rifle. Wouldn't dream of using it in the field but for snap shooting competitions, mini rifle etc.. they can't be beat and are great fun! May even wear some cammo troos when I'm doing it! i mite join you!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 "Think about the Cumbrian shootings and what that chap said to tv crews.He reported seeing someone with a 'James Bond styled rifle with scope and silencer' which was actually just a boggo standard CZ.Thats how blinkered many members of public are because they're so mentally detached from firearms now and they asume its like something they see on tv.Besides,most people who own black guns use them for range work where they're in the company of like minded shooters so unless its an open day-the public just dont get to see them." I was going to bring this up too... the public see a gun, nothing else. If it has a scope on it its military, put a mod on it and it becomes a 'James Bond style sniper rifle!' doesn't matter if it's a cz .22 with a wooden stock or a .22 AR-15 clone.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 on a lighter note,have u ever tried feild target gram? its really hard,uve got to zero 1st,then its all diff distances heights etc,i found it really hard!! so i never tried it again!! yes, and have to agree, but each to their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 kev/davo26 i hope youre not refering to my nearly 100 year old p17 in 30-06,as issued to the first world war yanks,this is a military gun is it not? and it shoots as good now as the day it was made,i can consitently put v bulls in at 600 yrds,(1000 yards is harder,i need my m8 to act as spoter for me!!) is this rifle acceptable?? its a black gun aint it? i must be rambo then?? surely i want to be a ninja? ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm do me a favour. Petty you didn't use that on the McQueen Andy! :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the running man Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Petty you didn't use that on the McQueen Andy! :yp: i reckon ure right mate!! u gonna come down for the nationals? end of august? ile have me m4 .223 by then! p.s. u dident do to bad either mate!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celestialspore Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 I don't get them either, really. To me they are like tactical stuff like webbing and knives. Some people seem to be drawn to them, and I find it/them to be a little odd. Be hey, to each their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveo26 Posted June 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Daveos final thoughts...... I have nothing against "black" rifles or synthetic stocked guns, I own a 452 style thats black and stainless. Iv nothing against people shooting .50 cals, nothing against people shooting SMLE or Nagants or anything I can see why people would, Really I can, Its a challenge a good crack with your mates, The most practical platform for your hobby or just because its water proof all fair reasons I still dont really understand why anybody wants or needs a clone, Different strokes for different folks I guess! Scully, I have my guns for pest control and recreational clay shooting thats a .22, a .17 and a 12 bore, two cz and a Miroku. Super bikes are amazing performance machines they look like they do because they have to,to me these guns are like a Honda vision wearing Ducati 999 body work Vipa, so you would'nt have a gun thats pretending to be something its not then? You need yours because it shoots at a 1000yrds fair play but these gsgs dont offer anything other than how they look. I was really hoping someone would say that the gsgs offer the edge in mini rifle comps are perfect for the job, light, compact and easy to use in timed events but no one has because the truth is people want them because they look like an AK and that impresses them and their friends. Thats about it from me. I have my thoughts others have theirs, Happy and safe shooting to you all I truly mean that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveo26 Posted June 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Just reread your post vipa, SO you have one then...... Fair play, Your reasons make sense. Good luck and happy shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Just reread your post vipa, SO you have one then...... Fair play, Your reasons make sense. Good luck and happy shooting. Not yet Daveo... seriously considering it.. and, in fairness, the short barrel, pistol grip and ability to attach vertical front grips to a rail etc do make snap shooting and move and shoot stages easier. The 10/22 is a fine weapon but lends itself to a much more traditional 'shouldering' of the weapon which isn't conducive to rapid shooting or any of the other bits that make up mini rifle or 'engagement' type matches. I admit freely, I love shooting and I love guns, I find them as asthetically pleasing as others find exotic bikes and cars pleasing to the eye... even better in the hands. I'm sure I'm not the only mon or ex military bod on here who drools over the hardware on Future Weapons and I'm not ashamed to say that if I was a citizen of a country that had more liberal gun laws, I would have a room full of exotic (mostly military) hardware. That doesn't make me a 'Walt' or Rambo wanabee... I like guns... simples And can I just finish by saying, your thread and the way you have 'managed' it and even 'concluded' it is one of the most level headed I've read for a long time... hat's off sir :thumbs: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveo26 Posted June 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Why didnt you type that 3 pages back??? Its an adult discussion that I have enjoyed and leant from. And as a bonus it never got silly or personal happy days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Daveos final thoughts...... I have my guns for pest control and recreational clay shooting There you go Daveo26,delete the word 'clay',and like I said,you've answered your own question!I knew you could do it...eventually! Whoops,almost forgot...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveo26 Posted June 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Spit it out scully man I can see your replying.. its way past my bedtime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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