thompson Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 i bought some storm pellets and thought they were OK and the quality of the pellet looked good until my mate give me his wasps as he changed from a .22 to a .177 so i tried them out the quality of the pellet was not to bad when i fired them i did a penetration test and the wasps where a hell of a lot better the test. i put 6 empty milk cartons in a line and fired. the storm went thru 3 cartons i then fired a wasp and it when thru all 6 so i did a distant test from 50ft i zeroed in with the wasps as it was hitting higher than the storms at 20ft. the test.wasps at 50ft straight as a die the storms well they barely made the distance. has any one less used them before and what is a good pellet to yous .22caliber and what pellets should be avoided results storm pellets **** wasps much better and £3 cheaper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 I use Air Arms Field for my air guns. They are very good pellets. Generally speaking a nice soft skirt on a pellet is good as it spreads under pressure and gives a better seal in the barrel. Are these Storms hard? Wasps have quite a thick skirt, but they always felt quite tight in my gun so that could help? For a moment I thought you meant six full milk cartons! I was just thinking that my .22lr would struggle to do that so what sort of air gun did you have! But then I re-read it and realised I was being daft! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 It all depends on what your gun is as wasps are 5.56 not 5.55 mm . I think its British guns are loose compared to German guns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaiyn Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 i bought some storm pellets and thought they were OK and the quality of the pellet looked good until my mate give me his wasps as he changed from a .22 to a .177 so i tried them out the quality of the pellet was not to bad when i fired them i did a penetration test and the wasps where a hell of a lot better the test. i put 6 empty milk cartons in a line and fired. the storm went thru 3 cartons i then fired a wasp and it when thru all 6 so i did a distant test from 50ft i zeroed in with the wasps as it was hitting higher than the storms at 20ft. the test.wasps at 50ft straight as a die the storms well they barely made the distance. has any one less used them before and what is a good pellet to yous .22caliber and what pellets should be avoided results storm pellets **** wasps much better and £3 cheaper If you are into hunting with an air rifle, accuracy wins over penetration every day of the week. I also advocate JSB Exacts and AA Fields as they suit my gun and allow tiny groups. An accurate cranial shot on a rabbit with a poorer level of penetration will still kill it humanely. A highly penetrative airgun pellet which isn't accurate will not. Simples. Regards Z. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 It all depends on what your gun is as wasps are 5.56 not 5.55 mm . I think its British guns are loose compared to German guns I think you are getting a little confused, there is .22 and there is 5.5. Some of the wasps (the Blue) are nearer to .22 and therefore work well with this classic old calibre (very little is actually .22 these days, the vast majority is 5.5mm). Most pellets are 5.50, or 5.51 or 5.52....5.55 is not the norm! Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 thompson Whatever you have, a few different pellets are always worth a try, it really can make a lot of difference to power and accuracy and terminal performance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thompson Posted July 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 (edited) a find that the wasps are more accurate than the storms the storms have a really hard skirt a think that's the problem with them there are 2 types of wasps there's a purple tin witch i use and a blue the blue tin are a little bit bigger than the purple only problem with the purple ones is there quite lose in the rifle when i load it up i have to hold the rifle down or they come bk out i am getting a little bundle of ebay its 10 pots of diferant types of pellets for £10 you get 20pellits in each pot Edited July 8, 2011 by thompson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 a find that the wasps are more accurate than the storms the storms have a really hard skirt a think that's the problem with them there are 2 types of wasps there's a purple tin witch i use and a blue the blue tin are a little bit bigger than the purple only problem with the purple ones is there quite lose in the rifle when i load it up i have to hold the rifle down or they come bk out i am getting a little bundle of ebay its 10 pots of diferant types of pellets for £10 you get 20pellits in each pot What rifle do you have, I'm getting the impression it may be a true .22 and not a 5.5? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome of the Woods Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 Accuracy kills, penetration doesn't! Find the most accurate pellet for your gun and that will give you the most clean kills! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thompson Posted July 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 its a cometa mod.300 its a nice rifle only problem with it is its a bit heavy and Duse my arms in but am getting used to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 Accuracy kills, penetration doesn't! Find the most accurate pellet for your gun and that will give you the most clean kills! Ha ha... Where did you read that, shoot your quarry up the **** with enough grunt it dies, shoot it in the heart with no penetration and it runs/flies off with a bruise! What you really want is the best balance of both , on the basis you have 12ft lb tops. ATB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thompson Posted July 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 i got my rifle tested and its pushing 11 1/2ft lb i agree that you need the penetration with the accuracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome of the Woods Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 With 12ft/lbs tops you should only be aiming for head shots for a clean kill IMHO. There is so much rubbished talked about penetration, wound channels ect with sub 12ft/lbs air rifles. I have seen pellet's retrieved from the skulls of rabbits and they show very little sign of deformation or expansion. This is my opinion based on things I have seen and experienced. I respect your opinion although do not agree with it. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaiyn Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 With 12ft/lbs tops you should only be aiming for head shots for a clean kill IMHO. There is so much rubbished talked about penetration, wound channels ect with sub 12ft/lbs air rifles. I have seen pellet's retrieved from the skulls of rabbits and they show very little sign of deformation or expansion. This is my opinion based on things I have seen and experienced. I respect your opinion although do not agree with it. Paul I couldn't agree more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 With 12ft/lbs tops you should only be aiming for head shots for a clean kill IMHO. ON WHAT? Rats, mice, pigeon, stoat etc? put the pellet in the right place at the right distance they die, and that is NOT necessarily in the head! There is so much rubbished talked about penetration, wound channels etc with sub 12ft/lbs air rifles. I have seen pellet's retrieved from the skulls of rabbits and they show very little sign of deformation or expansion. So... What do you expect, it isn't a 243 ballistic tip? This is my opinion based on things I have seen and experienced. I respect your opinion although do not agree with it. Paul Accuracy is useless without penetration! You must get a happy balance of both! ATB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 Where did you read that, shoot your quarry up the **** with enough grunt it dies, shoot it in the heart with no penetration and it runs/flies off with a bruise! You can always tell the centrefire users from the airgunners! You can't beat the good old Texas heart shot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaiyn Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 Shoot any creature up the backside with enough clout and, yes, it will die eventually. Strewth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome of the Woods Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 Accuracy is useless without penetration! You must get a happy balance of both! ATB! A happy balance with accuracy? really? Each to there own, that's what makes life so interesting. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thompson Posted July 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 (edited) Edited July 8, 2011 by thompson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaiyn Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 If you hit the cranium (brain case), penetration levels make no odds. You need consistent accuracy to hit the brain box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome of the Woods Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaiyn Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 A happy balance with accuracy? really? Each to there own, that's what makes life so interesting. Paul Paul, you should be a diplomat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thompson Posted July 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 :lol:right so good quality hollow point that's accurate as hell will do the job better. could some one recommend a good accurate pellet. i am seeing the light in more accurate pellets to penetration i would rather hit the rabbit witch will still kill it than have a less accurate pellet with more penetration but less chance to actually hit it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 If Wasps give you good accuracy and performance then why the discussion?-You have found a cheap pellet that does everything that is required of it.I,m guessing that they are most likely some of the original Wasps made back when the quality was what we had come to expect of Eley i.e. high.Later pellets became so bad that even sizing them failed to make them accurate and I stopped using them a few years ago-they have also been way outclassed by numerous new kids on the block-Air Arms,JSB,Crossman and practically anything made of lead that smells of knockwurst.Many of these makers are long established in the shooting world but all have made significant advances in the quality of ammo sold by your local dealer.Wasps,on the other hand,seem to have fallen by the wayside-shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thompson Posted July 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 for all the replys on this topic im going to try out a range of pellets to see witch one is best for my rifle and gives me the best accrasy. Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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