Beretta28g Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 right these past few years i have been using either: Alaphamax Buismuth 3's Tungsten Matrix 32g 5's Steel HP 32g 5's Steel 32g 4's For standard Duck. For teal on a flight pond i have been using Steel 7.5's 24g (Lyvale) And for geese Tungsten 36g 1's. I am now right out of most of these loads and need to stock up, however I have joined a Wildfowling club so need something to perform well on the marsh. So i am asking whats the Best goose cartridge at present and what are you lot using for normal duck shooting, the gun that will be used is a Lanber 3'' with Flure de Leys. Lastly does anyone know where i can get some LYVALE COMP 24g 7.5 shot STEEL? I ran out last year and in desperation i tried eley but dont rate them well at all they seem to lack the stopping power of the lyvale. My local gunshop wont deal Lyvale now so i am stuck, alternitavly what do you use on theflight pond for teal? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfowler12 Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 I use 3' layvale High Performance steel 36gram no.4's at all duck and no1's at the geese. Does the job well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted September 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 I cant get Lyvale though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest topshot_2k Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 remington steel every time for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted September 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 What load/gram/size? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duke Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 I cant get Lyvale though. Richardsons of halesworth stock the gamebore mammoths, in the same loads as lyvale, these are what i was using on the marsh last season, this season tho i am loading my own 1oz of 3.5mm steel going about 1500fps for the ducks, had two mallard on thursday evening with this cartridge, the ducks folded up nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proTOM1 Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 Try gamebore 24g 7.5s steel mate uses them all the time on teal on his flight ponds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted September 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 It may have to be a trip to Richardsons, they usually are very good. Do you know of anywhere in Norfolk that does then though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted September 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 Try gamebore 24g 7.5s steel mate uses them all the time on teal on his flight ponds Thanks i will try hem, i know Lyvale are good, and Eley are **** but hats he kind of recomendation i need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duke Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 Sorry cant help you with stockists, as i only really deal with richardsons and eye workwear, i rarely venture out your way. Out of interest which wildfowling club have you joined? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silpig5 Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 go see rob at north walsham mate , all steel n non toxic there . good prices and good shop !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted September 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 Norwich and District Wildfowlers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted September 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 Thanks Adi i will go and have a look see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfowler12 Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 I cant get Lyvale though. In that's case, try Hull Solway Magnum 34g no4's or gamebore mammoth steel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 It may have to be a trip to Richardsons, they usually are very good. Do you know of anywhere in Norfolk that does then though? Try Woods of Swaffham, they'll have them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest topshot_2k Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 What load/gram/size? Remington 36g No.3 for ducks i only use bismuth on geese now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 It appears from Forums in the USA that super high speed might be slightly over rated, seems you can pull off a few flukey single pellet kills at range yet dencity of the spread still remains the over riding factor again. Just read the BASC article seems to break the laws of physics how can more speed give us more penetration at short range yet equal penetration of slower stuff at 50? Given pellets of the same BC they will be traveling faster and holding more energy, hence surely will penetrate deeper up untill the point that everything bounces off with nill penetration, without producing a reason why to support this statement it can surely only be called Bumkum? Anyone enlighten me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totsy Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 It appears from Forums in the USA that super high speed might be slightly over rated, seems you can pull off a few flukey single pellet kills at range yet dencity of the spread still remains the over riding factor again. Just read the BASC article seems to break the laws of physics how can more speed give us more penetration at short range yet equal penetration of slower stuff at 50? Given pellets of the same BC they will be traveling faster and holding more energy, hence surely will penetrate deeper up untill the point that everything bounces off with nill penetration, without producing a reason why to support this statement it can surely only be called Bumkum? Anyone enlighten me? Hi Kent, I am only thinking out loud but isn't it a law of deminishing returns? Basically its not a linear relationship. It would be interesting to know theoretically if the speed was doubled, not just increased by 200 -300 fps what the penetration difference would be at 60yrd (isn't that what they were testing at) between the two loads. Maybe steel is just to light and has to be used in to large a size (big frontal area = drag) to ever retain much momentum at 60yrds regardless of the charge? Like I said, just thinking aloud....I would like to know too. Ta, Lee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 On the whole the BASC mag article on steel shot was a little disappointing , with only limited exploration of the topic. I cant understand the point of testing steel shells at 60 yards. That’s beyond the range of lead shells , let alone steel. The tone of the article was rather against fast steel shells and yet to quote “ there is little effect on pattern density at 30 or 50 yards “ and clearly from their graphs the faster the shell the better penetration showed that fast steel shells were more effective than slow ones and yet very little was made of this advantage in the article. It would been a far more useful article if there were some pattern density charts for different loads , the effects of differing shot sizes and chokes made for steel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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