al4x Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 (edited) Having looked at a charnwood c four at the weekend its a new design that seems to make sense. Takes good sized logs and isn't a particularly big stove. Rated at 4.9kw so not massive but seems like it produces more heat into the actual room and looses less up the chimney. One thing I'm fairly sold on is not buying a multifuel stove, I've had them in the past but they restrict access for logs and personally I only ever burn wood so no point having the extra grates. It was very interesting seeing one without the insulating blocks in as the actual stove radiated far more heat. The next step of course is getting one that uses external air rather than air from the room as that makes a serious amount of sense. It would be one of these without the stand so all dims etc are there http://www.charnwood.com/range/stove/cfour.aspx Edited September 8, 2011 by al4x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conygree Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 (edited) I fitted mine in say 12 yrs ago, made a high wood surround but the heat was a bit much for is so fitted a stainless plate at the top of the fireplace to deflect heat, looks crude but works ok. Also made a top outlet from an old boiler injecter - big one 10" dia cut it down with a disc cutter fitted a top and it sits on it's flange on the chimney top Edited September 8, 2011 by Conygree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Having looked at a charnwood c four http://www.charnwood.com/range/stove/cfour.aspx Are you putting a white stove in Alex? :blink: or is that just a brochure with that stove in white? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Are you putting a white stove in Alex? :blink: or is that just a brochure with that stove in white? thats just a picture it will definitely be black, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 thats just a picture it will definitely be black, thought it was a bit "the only way is essex" in white... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 definitely though apparently they are easier to keep clean as you don't see ash / dust on them. Still wasn't enough to sell it to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchelln Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 al4x In the pic you linked, is that stone that the burners standing on enough, I'm just about to move my burner from the chimney stack to an external wall, but I'll need to stand it on something? would you know if I need to take the floor up and put a new concrete base in or can I just put a stone down (sorry to hijack the thread) Cheers Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 al4x In the pic you linked, is that stone that the burners standing on enough, I'm just about to move my burner from the chimney stack to an external wall, but I'll need to stand it on something? would you know if I need to take the floor up and put a new concrete base in or can I just put a stone down (sorry to hijack the thread) Cheers Nick Nick, I stood my double stove on a 1" Granite slab on top of a mortar mix just to fix the slab and give it some support, it has seen some savage burns where you get a sun tan if you fall a sleep on the other side of the room.. :blink: even when the stove is burning like that the granite is still only just warm to touch. Regards, Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 personally I would and will in this house just be putting stone down, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchelln Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Sounds like the way to go then, atleast that gives me a bit extra cash for the flue. Thanks Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Sounds like the way to go then, atleast that gives me a bit extra cash for the flue. Thanks Nick Here you go mitchelln, this may help... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 from reading the regs it just has to be 12mm thick and fireproof so slabs are absolutely fine as per gixers pic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 from reading the regs it just has to be 12mm thick and fireproof so slabs are absolutely fine as per gixers pic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchelln Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Looks good, only thing with mine is it will be on floor boards, suppose I could go 20/25mm just to be safe, Think I might also need to stick a couple extra supports under the joist's just to take the weight (85kg). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSPUK Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Nick Are you backing your fire upto a plastered wall - if so I would suggest you put a heat shield behind the fire or you will find cracks in plaster and paint turning brown - I and my mates who have one have used a sheet of steel slightly bigger than stove painted with heatproof paint - space it off wall by 15mm and leave a gap at bottom - it creates a airflow up back of steel and stops wall getting too hot. Some of the clubhouses at shoots have wood burners and I have seen slabs - tin foil and everything propped up back of fires to stop heat affecting walls. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziplex Posted September 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 simply it makes a big difference sitting it back in the fireplace, first thing I would do is remove the brick surround and modify the hearth so it was fully legit to have the stove with a rear entry flue. Its interesting with fires I've always been sceptical about surrounding the sides and rear with the insulating bricks and talking to a guy selling stoves at the weekend it seems they have sussed this and the newer generation are starting to do away with them. My mum has a logburner mounted fully in front of the chimney and that gives a superb amount of heat and being side loading no real problem with hearth size. I'm currently modifying a fireplace in my new house and have knocked it now back to the original lintle and have a cracking space. Got no photos of the finished deal but this one shows how much t had been blocked up as all that came from round the gas fire that was there when we bought it That looks virtually how mine did once i'd removed the gas fire and ripped out all the brick/plaster surrounding it, that breast looks similar in dimension to ours too....to modify the hearth and remove the brick surround would be a simple job, as would making it rear exit, that bit i'd most likely get done by the guy who installed the flexible liner/register plate as i'm guessing he'd have to certify it again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchelln Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 Nick Are you backing your fire upto a plastered wall - if so I would suggest you put a heat shield behind the fire or you will find cracks in plaster and paint turning brown - I and my mates who have one have used a sheet of steel slightly bigger than stove painted with heatproof paint - space it off wall by 15mm and leave a gap at bottom - it creates a airflow up back of steel and stops wall getting too hot. Some of the clubhouses at shoots have wood burners and I have seen slabs - tin foil and everything propped up back of fires to stop heat affecting walls. Dave Thanks for the info, I'll def be putting something like that up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricko Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 Here's mine Set on blue engineering bricks, tile back and slate fireplace surround Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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