willy1 Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 The magazine tube on the escort models are made with a crimp (which is NOT removable) to limit it to two in the magazine.New tubes to take four are £16.00, and to fit it is easy (if the old tube comes out,most times requiring some heat to break the sealant that holds it in place) Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin128 Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 Ive seen a few threads about uping the capacity on your magazine tube to convert a semi auto shotgun held on a shotgun cert to a multi shot FAC shotgun. Is the conversion cheap enough to do or would I be better off just buying a FAC shotgun to start with. I've not even put in my application for an FAC yet but just wondered if anyone had done it. First get the variation and advise Police that you will convert your s2 yourself. With an Xtrema2 the mag needs changing as the crimped tube is plastic. Leave the mag limiter out and buy an appropriate mag extension/spring and you are motoring. The mag can be a pain to unscrew without braking it. PM for details. New mag tube will have to come from dealer. The beauty of doing it yourself is that you can always convert it back to s2 for an easier sale. Keep the Police in the loop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin128 Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 (edited) I'm in the process of filling in the variation form to get a S1 Shotgun added on to my FAC. I have been advised (Off the records) that I might get knocked back on this one even though I believe that I have shown sufficient "good reason" for wanting one. If this does happen I will have to decide on if I want to appeal the decision, which could take time. If this does happen then the option open to me is to get a 2+1 semi auto on my SGC and maybe get it converted to something like a 4+1 or 6+1 if and when I decide to appeal the decision for a S1 shotgun. Is the conversion from a 2+1 to something like a 4+1 (Or larger if required) only possible on certain makes/models of semi auto shotguns (If yes, which please) or is it (In theory) possible on all semi autos please? If you are a member, ask BASC for some advice firstly. South Wales Police ok for bird but I argued it for fox also. Remember it's s1...limitations on shooting are per FAC...mine is open. Edited October 28, 2011 by Robin128 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sco77w Posted October 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 I think you'll find most, if not all semi autos are made to take about 4 carts in the mag tube (I'm sure someone will be along to correct me). They are restricted by UK law to 2 usually by crimping the tube so you can't get carts past the crimp. Tubes without the crimp seam to be cheap to buy and fit from what the guys on here say. In this photo you can see the crimp and enough space the outher side of it for more carts (these are only 70mm and the gun is chambered for 3") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin128 Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 The extension... https://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=23357/Product/EXTENDED-MAGAZINE-TUBE The new tube was cheap. You don't 'alf get thru a few cartridges showing your mates it will shoot 12 off in under 2 secs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willy1 Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 Bad enough with just 8 to play with, Robin, that's why I bought the cheapest I could find just to show off to mates. Better quality for the serious stuff. Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin128 Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 Got to have a laff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willy1 Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 My Hatsan Escort 7+1 is now up for sale at £275. Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackinbox99 Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 My thoughts on this is to check what prices a FAC shotgun would cost to buy compared to the value of yours plus the cost of conversions. Very often its cheaper to buy one which is already FAC as its a much reduced market for them, so they tend to not be worth as much as non-FAC shotguns. Another thing to think of is that like any FAC you have to have the land you are shooting on cleared for use with that gun, so you could happily use a normal 2+1 semi auto on a field shooting pigeons, but if you then wanted to use the same shotgun but converted to FAC you`d then have to get that field checked out by the police and approved for use with that gun. Could be a lot of extra hassle just to get a couple more shots at pigeons without reloading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colster Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 Another thing to think of is that like any FAC you have to have the land you are shooting on cleared for use with that gun, so you could happily use a normal 2+1 semi auto on a field shooting pigeons, but if you then wanted to use the same shotgun but converted to FAC you`d then have to get that field checked out by the police and approved for use with that gun. Could be a lot of extra hassle just to get a couple more shots at pigeons without reloading. FAC Shotguns "should" be granted as open from the start. I say "should" as the Home Office advises FLO's to do this but we know we live in a postcode lottery when it comes to FLO's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willy1 Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 FAC Shotguns "should" be granted as open from the start. I say "should" as the Home Office advises FLO's to do this but we know we live in a postcode lottery when it comes to FLO's. That's exactly what my FEO said to me when i asked about it,he said that anywhere that I have permission to use a shotgun is acceptable without having to be "approved", Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Juicer Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 We are only allowed 2+1 here in NI. I asked firearms branch and they never said anything about , unless doing practical sg. They said the max is 2+1. Strange that as we have high capacity pistols and rifles and everything is on a fac. My brand new armsan a612 has the permanent crimp style restrict or, not the length of plastic in the manual. Noticed it when cleaning.👮 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southeastpete Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 It also comes into its own if you are fox shooting, the extra shots can be handy!! ive also found it to be beneficial in the spring for squirrel shooting, when they are gathered together in groups and mating,I managed to get 5 in one tree!!! http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/public/style_emoticons/#EMO_DIR#/yes.gif A high capacity .410 would be great fun for drey poking!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizzbangwhallop Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Anyone out there converted a Benelli M2? Having read the threads above all I found on YT was an american changing the tube on a M4 with a hot air gun to soften the threadlock....... ran his fingers in front of the hot air gun to check it was hot too! classic. So, on the face of it, it looks pretty simple to do but do GMK supply uncrimped tubes and for how much? Obviously they will only supply Trade so the intention would be to drop it into the RFD's workshop as an SGC, get the work done and signed back onto my FAC. Cheers Fizz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs85 Posted August 3, 2016 Report Share Posted August 3, 2016 Asked elsewhere but this seems like the right thread. If you swap out a crimped mag for a uncrimped and keep the easily removable restrictor rod in (armsan a612) is it still classed as sec 1. I'm guessing yes as it's easily converted without tools but with the restrictor rod in it is still technically a 2+1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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