stu nesling Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 (edited) next time you are out take a picture or 2 of the pattern/decoys/location etc and post em up. you never know it might help Edited October 19, 2011 by stu nesling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosd Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 I've been shooting about the same time as you, so no seasoned pro here either. Reading your post again and being the birds are hitting that spot before and after you decoy it has to be your set up in my humble opinion. I'm presuming by your Hide is good by your description as is your hide discipline. So you have to consider your layout. It's drawing them in from distance but on approach they don't like something they see. I would be adding more decoys, taking some away, making the pattern tighter, more sparse, changing the pattern completely, making it totally random, I've even pulled all the decoys in and just left three in a 5m triangle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 i did yick m8, i said no whirly etc, just useing full body head up and down deeks on eazzys try one of what i mentioned, trust me and a lot of pigeon shooters on here, they don,t always flare away and not come to decoys otherwise nobody would make a bag and post it on here, just look at pigeon controllers recent posts, 2 days decoying and 2 100+ bags and does it regularly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubythedog Posted October 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 im totaly with you there cosd, and thats what ill set out to do! funny how you can drag them from a distance but not all the way to the point of shot. it realy is in my case getting the spred right i think! i liken this to fishing, two men fishing the same pond useing the same bait! one is blanking and the other is smashing them in! and thats all down to how the better man presents his bait! and that in a round about way relates closely to decoying. cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubythedog Posted October 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 bang right yik! this is my whole point, pigeon shooting is a pure artform and some lads realy have it down good, thats why i started this post becouse i new there is ways to get them in closer and whanted to explore these methods rarther than just putting it down to another bad day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 im totaly with you there cosd, and thats what ill set out to do! funny how you can drag them from a distance but not all the way to the point of shot. it realy is in my case getting the spred right i think! i liken this to fishing, two men fishing the same pond useing the same bait! one is blanking and the other is smashing them in! and thats all down to how the better man presents his bait! and that in a round about way relates closely to decoying. cheers what your saying is you can drag pigeons in from a distance but not close enough to be shot think your havin a laugh to be blunt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubythedog Posted October 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 just to add to that witch i think is good advice, is changeing your spred is very solid advice but understanding why that change made the difference is what will make us all better decoyers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubythedog Posted October 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 what your saying is you can drag pigeons in from a distance but not close enough to be shot think your havin a laugh to be blunt read the post title div Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proTOM1 Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 (edited) just to add to that witch i think is good advice, is changeing your spred is very solid advice but understanding why that change made the difference is what will make us all better decoyers If we knew everything about pigeons and pigeon decoying it would in time get boring ,well for me it would .I love the fact that what works 1 day may not work the next also like the fact on 1 day in 1 field they could play ball but in another field 300 yards away they wont ,for me thats what keeps me doing it . Ive been pigeon shooting for 18 years and still learning Like cosd has said change the pattern around ,at times i change it 4 or more times in a day but i also have patterns i like to use depending on what im shooting over and time of year . Now there flocking up it will be 2 groups about 15 yards out from the hide and 15 yards gap between them . Had a client out today he set him self up with just 8 full bodie decoys in a random pattern with a turbo flapper at the front on a remote and they decoyed all day and this was over wheat that was drilled 4 weeks back .The birds were still after the rape seed as the wwheat was direct drilled .He managed 87 birds in total and never had more than 8 decoys out Edited October 19, 2011 by proTOM1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubythedog Posted October 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 good post tom, it seems like its all about playing around with the pattern and learning what works best and when! not something you learn over night but when it sinks in im sure ill get better results. cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul T Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 im totaly with you there cosd, and thats what ill set out to do! funny how you can drag them from a distance but not all the way to the point of shot. it realy is in my case getting the spred right i think! i liken this to fishing, two men fishing the same pond useing the same bait! one is blanking and the other is smashing them in! and thats all down to how the better man presents his bait! and that in a round about way relates closely to decoying. cheers I know exactly what you mean - that extra second of flight to get them to commit makes the difference between a risky, rangey shot and a guaranteed dead pigeon . You've eliminated the hide, so as you and others have said it has to be something with the pattern. I'll hazard a guess if they are always flaring off, they can't see somewhere they'd like to land. I'm not saying they have to land, but if you're not giving them enough space they'll change their mind at 50-60yds out and either circle round for another look or just fly on. Just try setting your pattern out as you normally do and then widen the 'landing strip' another couple of yards. Sometimes they just need a bit of space and we'll change the layout umpteen times a day if necessary. Best of luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubythedog Posted October 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 another good post, more pattern tips thanks paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 Most of the bases have been covered with the good advice you have been given. It may even be one of the things that you have eliminated, that may not be as OK as you think. What you are describing has happened to all of us at some time or another. Pigeon behaviour is not prescribed, not that constant and there are loads of variables that influence them. There is no Holy Grail to discover, I think you will have to accept that it was just one of those days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubythedog Posted October 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 yes your right buddy! they are wild and unpredictable witch dos make things more fun like protom says, and yea iv got some good advice on this post! a lot i already new but its been a long since doing it so this also was a good reffresher course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunner Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 I totally agree with paul T sometimes if there's not space for them to land they will not come in to range so they just jink away ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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