Good fox round

[reefman]

Hello again,

When I renew my FC in Aug My big plan is to add .223 and a .17hmr to my existing .22Lr.

However Some of my fox shooting is in a Valley with a village on one side (Hampshire)

The ground is already cleared for much larger rifles.

I have been looking at some US varmint sites and they still rave over the Hornet as a good Fox gun out to 150-175 yds.

This is probably the range I will be engageing them at.

 

Would the Hornet be quieter (moderator would be fitted either way)?

Would it be difficult and expensive to feed can't be bothered with home loading.

Would the hornet be a good long range bunny/crow gun or is it total overkill.

If the hornet fits the Bill why bother with a .17 hmr???

 

If you all say .223 and a .17hmr which is what I expect.

Can you get reduced loads and lighter bullets (35g) to immitate the hornet thus giving me the versatility of being able to use heavy more powerfull loads when the need be.

 

Either way it will be a CZ 527 for the centre fire I'm just fine tuning my choice now

 

Loads of replies please!!!!!!!!!

[Dead-Eyed Duck]

Hi Reefman

 

If you homeload you can do whatever you want to regarding bullet weight and power.

 

However, you must bear in mind that bullet weight, powder loading and accuracy can only be found by practical experience if you choose to download considerably.

 

Stating the obvious, the less power, the less noise.

 

You have to check if your local Firearms Dept will allow you to use a 0.223 for fox AND vermin. Many do not - they will only let you have the 0.223 for foxes only.

 

Don

[Frank]

Hello again,

When I renew my FC in Aug My big plan is to add .223 and a .17hmr to my existing .22Lr.

However Some of my fox shooting is in a Valley with a village on one side (Hampshire)

The ground is already cleared for much larger rifles.

I have been looking at some US varmint sites and they still rave over the Hornet as a good Fox gun out to 150-175 yds.

This is probably the range I will be engageing them at.

 

Would the Hornet be quieter (moderator would be fitted either way)?

Would it be difficult and expensive to feed can't be bothered with home loading.

Would the hornet be a good long range bunny/crow gun or is it total overkill.

If the hornet fits the Bill why bother with a .17 hmr???

 

If you all say .223 and a .17hmr which is what I expect.

Can you get reduced loads and lighter bullets (35g) to immitate the hornet thus giving me the versatility of being able to use heavy more powerfull loads when the need be.

 

Either way it will be a CZ 527 for the centre fire I'm just fine tuning my choice now

 

Loads of replies please!!!!!!!!!

 

Good choice of make.

 

The hornet is a great rifle for the ranges you have explained, but the .223 is the better of the 2 and will do it more accurately and at a longer range.

 

If you get the .223, i and others on here, have found the Federal American eagle 50 grain hallow point, is hard to beat fo accuracy and cheapness.

 

As for the 17 hmr, ill hand you over to Axe and others on here that have and use them regularly.

Frank.

[reefman]

Thanks for the reply's Gents

I have spoken with a couple of mates who have .223 and .22 /250 on their tickets about this fox/vermin subject. Both of them have vermin only on their tickets as Foxe's are vermin.as are feral cats and seagulls (Not in Devon by all accounts)

Is Hampshire Constabulary just being sensible or are your Constabularies being unreasonable.

 

Both of them also made it quiet clear to the FEO that foxes were the intended quarry.

 

 

Any one else out there got any thoughts on my original post please.

[miffy]

I'd get a .17hmr and either a .223 or a .22/250 but definately not the hornet. You'll get times when you will need to shoot further than 150 yards and u will wish u had a .223 or 250.

The .17 is an excellant rabbiting calibre

and you will definately not be sorry to get that on ticket

[rogo]

I'd get a .17hmr and either a .223 or a .22/250 but definately not the hornet. You'll get times when you will need to shoot further than 150 yards and u will wish u had a .223 or 250.

The .17 is an excellant rabbiting calibre

and you will definately not be sorry to get that on ticket

 

With the Hornet you can zero 1" high at 100 yrds and you have approx a 200 yrd zero. I had a HMR and as soon as I tried the Hornet it was sold for a new CZ Hornet..

 

Superb calibre.

[Frank]

I'd get a .17hmr and either a .223 or a .22/250 but definately not the hornet. You'll get times when you will need to shoot further than 150 yards and u will wish u had a .223 or 250.

The .17 is an excellant rabbiting calibre

and you will definately not be sorry to get that on ticket

 

With the Hornet you can zero 1" high at 100 yrds and you have approx a 200 yrd zero. I had a HMR and as soon as I tried the Hornet it was sold for a new CZ Hornet..

 

Superb calibre.

 

I agree, the Hornet is good, i had one for years.

But as miffy says, that 250yd lamb killer that wont come in to any call, will fall to an accurate .223 bullet, far quiker then a Hornet bullet..

[reefman]

Thats interesting which quarry do you use it on and what advantages do you find over the HMR.Also do you have a more powerfull gun such as the .223 or 22/250?

[rogo]

Thats interesting which quarry do you use it on and what advantages do you find over the HMR.Also do you have a more powerfull gun such as the .223 or 22/250?

 

I use it for rabbits, corvids and foxes. I do not have a more powerful centrefire. I am in the same boat as you regarding land. Most of my shots are 175/200 yrd at most and the Hornet is capable of doing this.

 

The furthest I have shot a fox with it was 115 yrds and it did some damage too.

 

Mike.

[reefman]

What ammo do you use rogo, Is it easy to obtain.Is it reasonably priced(not a major issue but interesting to know)

 

 

Thanks

[Frank]

What ammo do you use rogo, Is it easy to obtain.Is it reasonably priced(not a major issue but interesting to know)

 

 

Thanks

 

Sorry for butting in, but when i use to have my hornet, i used Winchester 46 grain hallow points and Hornady 35 grain V.max, the V.max was very accurate and deadly on foxes.

The 46 grain hallow points were excellent on feral goats.

Both brands are factory ammo.

Frank.

[rogo]

I use the Winchesters and I get 40g v-max reloaded by my RFD mate who is a Hornet fan too!.

 

You can get Sellier and Bellot at £9/20 or PriviPartisan at £26/100.

 

Mike.

[Frank]

You can get Sellier and Bellot at £9/20 or PriviPartisan at £26/100.

 

Mike.

 

No offence, but they are not the most accurate ammo, but good for practise.

[Axe]

If the hornet fits the Bill why bother with a .17 hmr???

 

I suppose it all depends on what you want from your rifle. I don't have centrefire as yet but the .17HMR provides me with all i need at the moment anyway. I have it for Fox and Vermin and whilst in principal it is my main fox calibre, it is the only fox calibre I have. Its good on fox at shorter ranges, personally I wouldnt push it much past 75-80 yards on a Fox, but for long range rabbits, its great.

 

Anyother reason that it is in my cabinet is that Sussex allow the use of the HMR almost anywhere as opposed to the .22LR. Its obviously louder than the .22LR but at the range it is capable of, it doesnt matter.

 

Put all this together and you have good reason for the round.

[coupe312]

If the hornet fits the Bill why bother with a .17 hmr???

 

I suppose it all depends on what you want from your rifle. I don't have centrefire as yet but the .17HMR provides me with all i need at the moment anyway. I have it for Fox and Vermin and whilst in principal it is my main fox calibre, it is the only fox calibre I have. Its good on fox at shorter ranges, personally I wouldnt push it much past 75-80 yards on a Fox, but for long range rabbits, its great.

 

Anyother reason that it is in my cabinet is that Sussex allow the use of the HMR almost anywhere as opposed to the .22LR. Its obviously louder than the .22LR but at the range it is capable of, it doesnt matter.

 

Put all this together and you have good reason for the round.

 

 

its weird that south yorkshire are the other way round will pass.22lr and knock back the .17hmr.

 

hence why i'm stuck with the .22

[kirky640]

If the hornet fits the Bill why bother with a .17 hmr???

 

I suppose it all depends on what you want from your rifle. I don't have centrefire as yet but the .17HMR provides me with all i need at the moment anyway. I have it for Fox and Vermin and whilst in principal it is my main fox calibre, it is the only fox calibre I have. Its good on fox at shorter ranges, personally I wouldnt push it much past 75-80 yards on a Fox, but for long range rabbits, its great.

 

Anyother reason that it is in my cabinet is that Sussex allow the use of the HMR almost anywhere as opposed to the .22LR. Its obviously louder than the .22LR but at the range it is capable of, it doesnt matter.

 

Put all this together and you have good reason for the round.

.17 hmr will shoot fox at 150 yard no probs as local gun smith told me im applying for it now with my renewal heres hoping to find out cheers kirky

ps why didnt you apply for a sound mod i have !!?

[reefman]

I think,I am lucky down here in Hants the FEO's seem in touch with reality,

I have already had a conversation with mine,My .17 will be open as is my existing .22

My .223 or Hornet will be named land for a couple of years.

I don't find that a problem though as my own land is only realy suitable for the .17 and .22 anyway, my friends farms I shoot on are cabable of much bigger stuff and is already licenced land . Truth is i'd rather watch roe deer and Muntjack than shoot them.

I hear conflicting views on the .17 's suitability for fox,I've certanly seen my friends turn bunnies into bags of mincemeat. and don't doubt it's closer range ability

I'm definatly going to get the .17, CZ of course

I will put in for the .223 also CZ again ,however I will wait a while before purchasing the .223 just so I can evaluate for myself how good the .17 is.

I'm sure I won't be dissapointed.

I do not want to wish my life away as it is a gift not a right but roll on August when I renew,I've got a fist full of green waiting to be spent.

 

Regards thankyou for your comments

 

Reefman

[dunganick]

.17 hmr will shoot fox at 150 yard no probs as local gun smith told me

 

are you seriously suggesting you shoot foxes @ 150 yards with a HMR?

 

i would not have thought the little pill had it in it to take a fox at this range

[deadeye ive]

.17 hmr will shoot fox at 150 yard no probs as local gun smith told me

 

are you seriously suggesting you shoot foxes @ 150 yards with a HMR?

 

i would not have thought the little pill had it in it to take a fox at this range :yp:

Relax Nick .....................Don't rise to the bait :o

 

I think,I am lucky down here in Hants the FEO's seem in touch with reality,

I have already had a conversation with mine,My .17 will be open as is my existing .22

My .223 or Hornet will be named land for a couple of years.

I don't find that a problem though as my own land is only realy suitable for the .17 and .22 anyway, my friends farms I shoot on are cabable of much bigger stuff and is already licenced land . Truth is i'd rather watch roe deer and Muntjack than shoot them.

I hear conflicting views on the .17 's suitability for fox,I've certanly seen my friends turn bunnies into bags of mincemeat. and don't doubt it's closer range ability

I'm definatly going to get the .17, CZ of course

I will put in for the .223 also CZ again ,however I will wait a while before purchasing the .223 just so I can evaluate for myself how good the .17 is.

I'm sure I won't be dissapointed.

I do not want to wish my life away as it is a gift not a right but roll on August when I renew,I've got a fist full of green waiting to be spent.

 

Regards thankyou for your comments

 

Reefman

Staffs don't do part open ,It's either one or the other where they are concerned ............Best of luck with your new aquirsistions