utectok Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 (edited) Unfortunately some anglers who didn't renew there subs to the Angling association I chair are getting nasty. It's a long story but what documents can they legally see? I've sent minutes to mtgs and our constitution but they are asking to see membership roles and bank statements for 5 years. What documents are we required by law to disclose and what is the correct way they should be asked for ?? Should we wait for a court order for then or what? So far I've been handing over whatever he asks for but this is all going crazy. I suppose I should say the members thought they could pay their subs late by agreement with the secretary but he died and never documented the agreement so they lapsed and now they think it's unfair. Edited November 22, 2011 by utectok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.I.A Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Would it not just be easier to accept that the agreement was made with the secretary and just accept the payment late as a one off? Save all the hassle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted November 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 (edited) Mmmmmm would be! But the tickets have been reallocated now. Our membership is restricted Numbers by riparian owners. Edited November 22, 2011 by utectok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 I'm not familiar with Scots law, but it does sound like they are asking for a lot. I would have thought the membership list might fall under data protection legislation though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted November 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Funny thing is they fish for 7 days a year so it would cost them the same and probably less next year to buy day tickets than a year sub! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.I.A Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 I agree with the above, giving out the membership role could well be a breach of the data protection act. I would flat out refuse to produce any more documents without a court order. That alone could well see the problem go away. To add, I can't see of any reason legally why they would need any of the info there asking for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majordisorder Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Surely if they're now not members then they'd not have any rights to seeing club info. I'm not a member either, would you send it all to me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted November 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Not sure I think some documents are public if your an association? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 IT's their fault for not getting it in writing but i would contact your association for advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.I.A Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 What do the subs cost? Out of interest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted November 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 (edited) Sorry hdav I'm confused I am representing the association as the chairman whom should I contact Oh about £140 a year but they are going to go up I should say they are members from England and local members are cheaper and fish more of course! Edited November 22, 2011 by utectok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.I.A Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 (edited) For the cost of the subs I highly doubt that they would foot at least double that for a court to even look at it. Unless there really prepared to be pedantic. I don't know what info should be made public by an association but logically thinking detailed information regarding accounts etc should only be made available for members? I don't know this for sure and I may be wrong so don't hold me to it Edited November 22, 2011 by M.I.A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted November 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 (edited) Thanks MIA there are 4 of them in the same boat but it seems to be one who is really driving it Edited November 22, 2011 by utectok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philm Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Have they got written agreement for late payment and why require it? they new it was due! How many are asking and can they prove they have an agreement! I would have thought they could only see minutes of meetings up to when their membership lapsed. I would ignore it and ask them to reapply for membership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 (edited) Sorry hdav I'm confused I am representing the association as the chairman whom should I contact Oh about £140 a year but they are going to go up I should say they are members from England and local members are cheaper and fish more of course! I mean arent you part of something similar to the BASC? http://www.fishlegal.net/page.asp?section=165§ionTitle=Fish%20Legal%20-%20using%20the%20law%20to%20protect%20fisheries%20and%20angling or similar? DO you have insurance? Does that have legal cover? What are the associations bye laws? rules etc? Edited November 22, 2011 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted November 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 (edited) Yeah we do have insurance through SANA ( scottish angling something something !) I think we have legal cover too according to the new secretary. As to the regulations of our type of association I don't know and I don't want to pay a solicitor to find out! Well Scot through and through! hence this post! Edited November 22, 2011 by utectok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 well in that case SANA can be contacted by emailing admin@sana.org.uk, calling 01577 861116 or writing to SANA Ltd, The National Game Angling Centre, The Pier, Loch Leven, Kinross, Scotland, KY13 8UF. The fax number is 01577 864769. Office hours are Mon-Fri 0900 - 1630. http://www.sana.org.uk/insurance.html would be my first port of call for advice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted November 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Have they got written agreement for late payment and why require it? they new it was due! How many are asking and can they prove they have an agreement! I would have thought they could only see minutes of meetings up to when their membership lapsed. I would ignore it and ask them to reapply for membership. Yeah I did ask them to reapply.... Thing is these tickets for people out of the region are being discontinued as and when they become empty as we have to long a local waiting list. This all needs to be ratified by the agm in January though so they could apply now but it's pretty unlikely they will get tickets well in that case http://www.sana.org.uk/insurance.html would be my first port of call for advice Thanks I'll do that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootnfish Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 i think they need to get a life and get over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted November 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Yeah the main guy is a big bully the way I look at it very rude I've worked with guys like him in the construction industry not used to not getting their way is all and shout about it. All schoolyard stuff really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Club constitution should have it in black and white Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted November 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Ok I'll go through the constitution again not sure it mentions what documents are public though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 I would think members may have a right to request to see accounts, check your membership rules.... Then consult SANA.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted November 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 I'll do that cheers Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning 425 clay hunter Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 How do u know the chap who passed away agreed this with them. Is it in writing. If they cant be botherd to pay up on time then you have to put the clubs finances first and set an example to everyone. Have a look at solicitors in your area usually there's some that do a free consultation once a week. Get some free advice and go from there. This association isn't anything to do with hightae mill lock by any chance is it. Been up to d & g a fee times. Lovely place and lovely fishing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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