leeboy Posted June 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Dazza, I love the Xbox -- I find I'm a better shot with it ! To those of you that dissaprove, I have taken your comments onboard. If it makes anyone feel better about it the hare wasn't in milk as you can probably tell from the photos nor was it pregnant. Ok I didn't know this until I'd shot it, and I dont know why it wasn't as it probably should of been. My Mrs has been breeding rabbits and show hares commercially for 17 years says there are many factors that affect fertility and that this is not uncommon but it was otherwise healthy. She also made the point of leaving them until later in the year as she would not of been happy if it had been pregnant or milking. Lesson learned !! I will make the point though that many of you will be shooting foxes all year round without a twinge of concience about the cubs and if the photo had been of a fox I dont think there would of been many negative posts. regards Leeboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeboy Posted June 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Leeboy no there aint a closed season for shooting Hare.But next time you shoot a Hare to put the Icing on the cake, make sure its "A CHRISTMAS CAKE". PELT MAN Pelt Man , I didn't shoot it just to make it 'the icing on the cake' I shot it primarily for the pot secondly for sport. Yes it was a memorable way to finish but I didn't shoot it just to boost the bag, that is not how I do things. However I do respect your view. Regards Leeboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the pelt man Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Leeboy :yp: Back when i was 17 i had heard that you could get very very close to a Hare by walking round & round it reducing the size of the circles as you go. I was out with my 12ft/lb BSA airsporter when i spotted a Hare in the field i was walking round so i gave it a try. Sure enough after about 15mins & several times round the Hare i got within 5 yards of the Hare it was just laid flat as low as it could.Took a head shot, out like a light. When i gutted it i found it to be carrying a youngun. This did surprise me as it was very late September. It made Me stop & think about what i was doing. We all do what we feel OK with. We can listen to others but it is hard to change our ways untill something happens to ourselfs that make us think differently. Its good that we can air our views when someone else seems to break our own code of conduct & can only hope that they give it some thought, (even when it may not be right). I respect that in this moment in time you feel OK with what you did as I have done the same. Buy the way we dont have many Hares around this way so i dont shoot them. So next time you get one give us a call. PELT MAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M ROBSON Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Hares don't have a closed season on enclosed land for one reason.........they are an agricultural pest in some areas, there's no denying it. I choose not to shoot Hares on the farms that they aren't in large numbers and therefore not causing a lot of damage. On some of our farms though they are present in large numbers, on Saturday I saw around 25 on 1 farm, 6 in a single field! On the veg farms when the plants are going in throughout the summer a handful of Hares can cause a LOT of damage and therefore need controlling.......this is why they have no close season. It's not always possible to shoot them outside their breeding season to reduce their numbers in a certain area. It's up to us to use this open season wisely. Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the pelt man Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 As with Canada Geese PELT MAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digga Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 not many hares where i am either, whenever they pop up i just leave em alone!! cos i"m such a kind bloke .....for now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natures_son Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Right ive been reading this a while now and have decided to give my two tuppence worth. Tin hat's at the ready. You all need to stop and take a long look at what you do. This argument is going on at the moment on another forum. Is it right to kill any animal this time of year in the breeding season? My honest opinion is Killing is killing. Why do we do what we do? To put it simple it is for the kill and anyone who denies that fact is a liar. Ok so you leave the hare or the rabbit pigeon etc until next winter. By then it will of produced offspring and more damage will be being done to the crops and land. Whether you kill in the winter, spring, summer or autumn its still killing. People need to loose the walt disney image they have and realise no matter how old or young a hare, rabbit or even a pigeon still does damage. Wake up and smell the coffee people. Killing is killing you dont like it then time for a change of sport. Good shooting leeboy i myself would rather have ran it with the dogs but each man to their own sport Yours in sport Jordan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Patsmash Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Got my first ever hare ! It was alot bigger than I expected and tasted far better than I thought it would. For some reason I expected it to taste like rabbit but it was much nicer. I probably wont take another as I dont see them often. Leeboy when you shot the hare were you carrying out pest control or was your shooting a sporting activity because if it was pest control it was hardly a pest if they are few and far between! and it aint sporting to shoot hares anyway in my own personel opinion, but each to there own i suppose. jordan are you suggesting we have no closed seasons and killing is killing what ever time of year we do it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natures_son Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Far from it closed seasons are a good idea for some animals such as pheasants partridge etc. But the people who annoy me are ones who gang up on others just for killing an animal that may be in kit may be young etc etc. As i said killing is killing no matter what time of year it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkshire Pudding Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Lee Don't know you from Adam .. I've made plenty mistakes in my time . Jordan I can see where your coming from , a kill is a kill . My boy is off season now .. We'll keep fit , but build to next season .. You've got to give em a rest sometime .. all the best yis yp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ratcatcher Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Right ive been reading this a while now and have decided to give my two tuppence worth. Tin hat's at the ready. You all need to stop and take a long look at what you do. This argument is going on at the moment on another forum. Is it right to kill any animal this time of year in the breeding season? My honest opinion is Killing is killing. Why do we do what we do? To put it simple it is for the kill and anyone who denies that fact is a liar. Ok so you leave the hare or the rabbit pigeon etc until next winter. By then it will of produced offspring and more damage will be being done to the crops and land. Whether you kill in the winter, spring, summer or autumn its still killing. People need to loose the walt disney image they have and realise no matter how old or young a hare, rabbit or even a pigeon still does damage. Wake up and smell the coffee people. Killing is killing you dont like it then time for a change of sport. Good shooting leeboy i myself would rather have ran it with the dogs but each man to their own sport Yours in sport Jordan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natures_son Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 I understand perfectly YP in no way am i suggesting working dogs all through the year. But there will be call outs to deal with cubs. But what im trying to get accross is that if people woke up and looked and maybe even got down from their high horses then there would be alot less slagging off of people on these forums. We all kill were all the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeboy Posted June 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Natures son, I think along similar lines to you. I believe that closed seasons are a good thing and should be respected but a closed season for pheasant is pushing things for me. lets face it they are only in the country in the first place so that people who can afford to can shoot them. conservation doesent even come into it. Native species is a different matter altogether to me. I have to agree that dead is dead. Those people who say leave pests to breed so there are more pests next year need to think about what they are saying. On one hand you are saying that you shoot pests but on the other you are shooting the offspring next year as sport. you cant have it both ways. As I have said in other threads, the pest you shoot is only truly a pest if it is on your own land and while on your land does envoironmental (cant spell) or other damage that you are paying for. Shooting pigeons or other pests on someone elses land is sport if you are not being paid to be there. Patsmash - I did not claim it was a pest, the opposite infact. While I'm happy to except criticism.... at least read the thread before you jump in !! I think thats probably enough for the antis for now. Leeboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Patsmash Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Natures son, I think along similar lines to you. I believe that closed seasons are a good thing and should be respected but a closed season for pheasant is pushing things for me. lets face it they are only in the country in the first place so that people who can afford to can shoot them. conservation doesent even come into it. Native species is a different matter altogether to me. I have to agree that dead is dead. Those people who say leave pests to breed so there are more pests next year need to think about what they are saying. On one hand you are saying that you shoot pests but on the other you are shooting the offspring next year as sport. you cant have it both ways. As I have said in other threads, the pest you shoot is only truly a pest if it is on your own land and while on your land does envoironmental (cant spell) or other damage that you are paying for. Shooting pigeons or other pests on someone elses land is sport if you are not being paid to be there. Patsmash - I did not claim it was a pest, the opposite infact. While I'm happy to except criticism.... at least read the thread before you jump in !! I think thats probably enough for the antis for now. Leeboy i didnt state it was pest control i asked you what you were doing if you read it properly! and as i said each to is own not my cup of tea but there you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the pelt man Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Right ive been reading this a while now and have decided to give my two tuppence worth. Tin hat's at the ready. You all need to stop and take a long look at what you do. This argument is going on at the moment on another forum. Is it right to kill any animal this time of year in the breeding season? My honest opinion is Killing is killing. Why do we do what we do? To put it simple it is for the kill and anyone who denies that fact is a liar. Ok so you leave the hare or the rabbit pigeon etc until next winter. By then it will of produced offspring and more damage will be being done to the crops and land. Whether you kill in the winter, spring, summer or autumn its still killing. People need to loose the walt disney image they have and realise no matter how old or young a hare, rabbit or even a pigeon still does damage. Wake up and smell the coffee people. Killing is killing you dont like it then time for a change of sport. Good shooting leeboy i myself would rather have ran it with the dogs but each man to their own sport Yours in sport Jordan KR you are so right. At the end of the day all animals breed & take losses that is natures way. Nature dose not say hay Fox dont touch that Rabbit its got young, wait till they can fend for themselfs. Its all about what you personely feel OK with. And to act within the Law even though some laws may stink. PELT MAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gibby Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Well done leeboy... you've listend to other peoples advice and criticisms fairplay You took the shot and thats that... Gibby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 There is no season for Hares, there is a restriction on the time you can sell them. I think that you can't sell them between 31st March and 1st Oct. Not entirely sure of the dates but the hare shoot I normally go on is normally the last weekend in february. The time that you can't sell hares is 1st march to 31st july Cheers Martin You need a game license to shoot Hares and although I haven't got mine in front of me now I do know that it did not give me a full 12 months ...........Correct me if I'm wrong but I think it excluded July through to November (Will have to find it out ) From my high horse so to speak if like myself as i've only got a few 100 acres to at then I let things breed bcause alot of my attention can be focused on these permissions where I adopt a sporting approach .......However I can understand those amongst us who have a few 1000 acres and have to be seen to be effective to keep in with the landowner . Very rare for me to see an hare nowadays ..............Alot of ####s have been round these parts lately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natures_son Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 I believe game licenses do last for an entire year Ive As for the ####'s they should have their balls cut off for running dogs in this type of weather round here grounds as hard as a rock and scorching. Unfortuantly ####'s like this give the rest a bad name i know a fair few who respect their qaurry and their dogs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 I believe game licenses do last for an entire year Ive As for the ####'s they should have their balls cut off for running dogs in this type of weather round here grounds as hard as a rock and scorching. Unfortuantly ####'s like this give the rest a bad name i know a fair few who respect their qaurry and their dogs. Jordan I bought my first Game License in January this year and it stated up to July 31st and renewal November 31st Cost £4 ............From a indept conversation with the Pit Bull she has led me to believe that the indesit on program E has turned it to pulp when it was in my back pocket of my DPM'S ..........So I can't debate the point with you As for ####s .............In my area they are lower than Scum because of the way they conduct themselves ........reek havoc and leave there illegal camps in such a mess that albania as more appeal . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Right ive been reading this a while now and have decided to give my two tuppence worth. Tin hat's at the ready. You all need to stop and take a long look at what you do. This argument is going on at the moment on another forum. Is it right to kill any animal this time of year in the breeding season? My honest opinion is Killing is killing. Why do we do what we do? To put it simple it is for the kill and anyone who denies that fact is a liar. Ok so you leave the hare or the rabbit pigeon etc until next winter. By then it will of produced offspring and more damage will be being done to the crops and land. Whether you kill in the winter, spring, summer or autumn its still killing. People need to loose the walt disney image they have and realise no matter how old or young a hare, rabbit or even a pigeon still does damage. Wake up and smell the coffee people. Killing is killing you dont like it then time for a change of sport. Good shooting leeboy i myself would rather have ran it with the dogs but each man to their own sport Yours in sport Jordan Killing may be killing. But SOME of us only shoot when we know its doing more good then harm. I will not take a shot if I know its going to leave the animal in pain. If there is just one Hare out there thats hopping around, why shoot it? it may very well have more down in a hole waiting for feeding time, and they will die slowly and painfully just from that one shot. And, most people dont wait a whole half a year untill winter to shoot them again. All thats needed is one more month untill the little'uns can take care of their own responsibilities in the field to stay alive. The other day I was reading a shooting magazine, and hundreds of people are working hard to preserve the Hare in most places of England. If you saw a red squirrel you wouldnt shoot it would you? or a duck with its little 'uns hopping along behind it.. We shoot pests to keep the country in good shape. But that does not mean wiping out anything that is on the list as legal quarry. I could have shot hundreds of varius birds by now. But unless I actually see that species as an actual pest, and I see it damage my trees or forest, then it wont get shot. But hey, who am I to tell people what they can and cannot shoot.. This is just one hunters veiw on a board with infinate opinions about everything. Its nice to let some things have a chane in nature, and reduce those who have become a little too carried away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natures_son Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 For start hares dont have kits below ground they have them in a hollow above ground. And hares do just as much if not more damage than rabbits. No i wouldnt shoot a red or a duck with ducklings i do have morals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 So why does the Hare not get included in youur 'morals'? you have an interesting slective moral system. A minute ago you were saying something about 'killing is killing'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natures_son Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Killing is killing on pest species you ask a farmer whether he classes red squirrels or ducks and ducklings as pests Now game birds etc is a different kettle of fish their bred by man shot by man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 I no longer call species 'vermin' or 'rodants', as I have come to realise they are all living things, and deserve the same and equal respect during the cull, or whilst simply helping maintain a certain species. As soon as you bring hate into hunting, E.g, 'lets go kill all the bastids', then you should stop hunting, because you arent doing nature a favour, you are mearly shooting something to give quench your satisfaction. I hope this is not the case for anyone here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 There is a distinction between "game", which has a season and "vermin" which doesn't. We are in danger of wandering well off the original subject here. If someone wants to start a new thread , please do so, but this one has just about run its course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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