docholiday Posted December 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2011 (edited) I understand your argument and believe it or not agree with most of it, I have hunted extensively in New Zealand and was at one point employed by the government to cull deer in the South Island using helicopters, their gun laws are different than ours as are there attitudes, driven mainly by a lack of population in the areas where hunting occur so its difficult to transfer our rules and perception onto theirs. and yes you would be correct to say in a perfect world their regulations are more lax than ours. However it is a whole different mind set hunting in New Zealand, you dont have the built up areas, footpaths and close proximity to the public that we have to put up with hear. for most hunting down there involves being dropped into uninhabited areas by helicopter and being totally self sufficient until either picked up at pre arranged time and point, or if you miss it then spending several days walking out. I say all this not because I am just dismissing what was an appalling loss of life as a bit of a mistake but trying to help people understand that the mindset about hunting is not the same all over the world. No I am not saying it is right or wrong, just different. Also I have myself been 100% certain that I was lining up on a species to find I was wrong, thankfully it has never caused this sort of extreme effect, but I believe he thought 100% it was a deer, why else would he have pulled the trigger. The reasons for that will never be known because we will never have the picture he had down that scope. as for the semantics, about accident, manslaughter etc, that will be up to their legal system to decide, again taking into account some of the above it may be different to a decision reached in courts in this country But overall I know many of the guys hunting out there and I feel sorry for all concerned, It is a fantastic place to hunt, and so different to what we perceive as hunting in this country. As someone who loves New Zealand and all it has to offer, I hope they learn and move foreword but I am sure they will not suffer the knee jerk reactions that we get in this country by our legislators I hope this makes sense, i didnt set out to have a ruck with anybody on here, and certainly dont support the theory that you suggest. when you say "therefore it was not an accident, it was at best negligence,manslaughter at worst and any case of death through negligence in any normal arena would invoke punitive fines or imprisonment,and you would be the first to be bleating for it, but for some reason as he had a gun and must be a like minded individual it seems we should support his negligence?" I refuse to shoot with several people for safety reasons and have had people removed from my shoot due to safety issues, defiantly not one rule for people who shoot and a different one for others. doc Edited December 26, 2011 by docholiday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted December 26, 2011 Report Share Posted December 26, 2011 (edited) ok then I think we have both put over our views I think we can shake on it and see what the outcome will be, as long as we recognise its our duty to be safe, then fair enough, that will do from me ATB KW Edited December 26, 2011 by kdubya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docholiday Posted December 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2011 No problems. it will be interesting to see how it pans out, will update as when I get any further info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted December 26, 2011 Report Share Posted December 26, 2011 This has run its course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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