cant hit rabbits 123 Posted April 14, 2012 Report Share Posted April 14, 2012 pumps will generally kick more then a semi. as there's no action absorbing the recoil. the mossy pump is a copy of the remy 870 so onto a winner there. In what way? I have had both in bits and they are totally different. Mechanically, they feed in very different styles, have different types of safty catch, have differnt bolts and feed trays etc. Please, explian your views to the contrary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhyspigeon67 Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 pumps will generally kick more then a semi. as there's no action absorbing the recoil. the mossy pump is a copy of the remy 870 so onto a winner there. but for the money a new escort is a tempting buy. the new escort pump is £275 in my local dealers...... nice gun that. my shooting partner has an escort and he likes it, especially now its fixed! does like to be clean, but feels nice to shoot The mossberg 500 is not a copy of the remmington 870 ,if anything its a better gun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coneyhunter Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 i pxed my Hatsan Escort for my Mossy 835, sadly had some issues with Hatsan, the Mossy is more reliable and requires minimal maintenance, it has my vote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy198712 Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 In what way? I have had both in bits and they are totally different. Mechanically, they feed in very different styles, have different types of safty catch, have differnt bolts and feed trays etc. Please, explian your views to the contrary. I based it on part interchange, a lot of aftermarket stuff fits both. And I think they have similar looks, especially the receiver. Do you not think they look similar? I haven't had them in bits but had a hold and play and yeah I noticed the safety but other then that in the short time I held one thy seemed similar? As you've said though, internals are different (which I didn't know) The mossberg 500 is not a copy of the remmington 870 ,if anything its a better gun! Hmmmmmmm why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant hit rabbits 123 Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 (edited) I based it on part interchange, a lot of aftermarket stuff fits both. And I think they have similar looks, especially the receiver. Do you not think they look similar? I haven't had them in bits but had a hold and play and yeah I noticed the safety but other then that in the short time I held one thy seemed similar? As you've said though, internals are different (which I didn't know) Hmmmmmmm why? Mechanically, they are totally different. They have different styles of feeding, different cycles of feed, different trigger mechanisms. They have a rough similarity in shape, but then again so to most O/U's and S/A's. A major difference is the 870 had a sping loaded feed tray that sits in the lower position and only moves when the gun is cycled where as the mossberg has a feed tray that sits against the bottom of the bolt when closed and lowers when the slide is pushed rearward and remains there untill the slide is returned to the forward position. Did you notice this in your experience with the guns? Aftermarket stuff is designed to fit many guns, and the stuff you've seen will probably fit a variaty of guns. Its simply to boost sales by targeting a wider market. The mossberg is a simpler design with wider tolerances than the 870, and subsequently fails less as the mossberg has a higher tollerance for dirt and grime than the 870, giving rise to a view that the mossberg is much more reliable and thus considered by many as the better gun. Edited for Grammar. Edited April 16, 2012 by cant hit rabbits 123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retromlc Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 Went to look at a benilli supernova today, not for me, wanted to like a pump action but why pay £500 for a used pump when a good semi can be had for the same money and a semi is much nicer imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy198712 Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 (edited) Mechanically, they are totally different. They have different styles of feeding, different cycles of feed, different trigger mechanisms. They have a rough similarity in shape, but then again so to most O/U's and S/A's. A major difference is the 870 had a sping loaded feed tray that sits in the lower position and only moves when the gun is cycled where as the mossberg has a feed tray that sits against the bottom of the bolt when closed and lowers when the slide is pushed rearward and remains there untill the slide is returned to the forward position. Did you notice this in your experience with the guns? Aftermarket stuff is designed to fit many guns, and the stuff you've seen will probably fit a variaty of guns. Its simply to boost sales by targeting a wider market. The mossberg is a simpler design with wider tolerances than the 870, and subsequently fails less as the mossberg has a higher tollerance for dirt and grime than the 870, giving rise to a view that the mossberg is much more reliable and thus considered by many as the better gun. Edited for Grammar. Thats a very good point, the more i think about it, the more i get it. no i didn't notice, the 870's i've had a play on have been a heavily modified silenced one and a police slug gun for "unlocking" doors i didnt pay much attention to the mossy as i wasnt interested to be honest (personel preference) which is partly the reason i thought they were copies, it always seems a huge can of worms with the 500 VS 870 and normally ends up with just buy either. fair point on the aftermarket stuff, but it just seems the two pop up together alot especially on midwayuk which is mostly stocks ect so how do you unload the 870? can you only pump them all through? or can you push up the ramp at all? it seems the new expresses are pretty cheaply made, but at about £400 new..... another point is the 870 came about 10 years? before the mossy and so there for the benchmark for most pumps there after, selling over 10million items now i think? i guess with wider tolerances it would be more reliable with no maintenance, but surely the 870 would outlast the mossy, it may take a few life times! is the mossy aluminium receiver? i'm pro 870..... partly as i have a wingmaster on its way to me very excited! my current pump is a Manufrance pump action, and i thought it was a copy of the 870, atheistically it is IMO. but it has an ally reciever thats slightly wider (i brought a 870 mount and it didnt fit) the pump has one leg coming off it to hold the bolt, not 2, the slide realise mech is differant.... no wonder the gunsmiths was offended when i said i had an french 870 copy lol Edited April 18, 2012 by andy198712 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant hit rabbits 123 Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 I had a play with a Manufrance once, as much as I liked the looks it just didnt feel right, which is a shame. As for the reciever material, my old mossy was steel, although a friends newer one seemed to have an ally or lighter alloy model. You can just pump the 870 through to unload, as with the Mossy, but you can also unload the mag by pushing up the feed tray and pushing the shell stop aside and allow the cartridges to slide out. I must admit, the 870 is good looking, maybe even better than the Mossy 500 but if I had to choose a work horse, it would be the 500. The 870 outlasting the 500? I'm not convinced, as the 500 internals are chunkier than the 870 and has a more solid feel in the action. Its been ages since I really discussed pump actions. Most just dismiss them and say 'buy a semi'. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 ive got the moss 500 and its great. and the best thing about it? its great to take apart and clean. i can sit there for hours cleaning the internals and oiling it. something very relaxing about cleaning a pump action shotgun. (very odd i know) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 Had a manufrance 12g pump action,brilliant gun for rabbiting Had two hatstands and a semi mossberg,still got the mossberg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr smith Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 Was in a local RFD's yesterday picking up some ammo when he produced an old stevens pump,don't know what model but looked like the sort of thing you'd see being used from a watch tower in the shawshank redemption or the like.Now i'm after a section 1 pump but wow took a bit of shine to this thing even tho' it's section 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant hit rabbits 123 Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 I bought a battered old 600 Mossberg, which was a 500 with a different forearm. As you do, I went to buy cartridges, saw the gun, and decided I could wait a few weeks for cartridges and spent the money on that instead. Since sold it to buy a semi auto as A) I couldnt hit much with the Mossy, it was just a novelty and very fun and B) it kicked a fair bit which, being small, I didn't like a huge amount. You cant beat a pump action for a fun gun though, especially on the clays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy198712 Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 I had a play with a Manufrance once, as much as I liked the looks it just didnt feel right, which is a shame. As for the reciever material, my old mossy was steel, although a friends newer one seemed to have an ally or lighter alloy model. You can just pump the 870 through to unload, as with the Mossy, but you can also unload the mag by pushing up the feed tray and pushing the shell stop aside and allow the cartridges to slide out. I must admit, the 870 is good looking, maybe even better than the Mossy 500 but if I had to choose a work horse, it would be the 500. The 870 outlasting the 500? I'm not convinced, as the 500 internals are chunkier than the 870 and has a more solid feel in the action. Its been ages since I really discussed pump actions. Most just dismiss them and say 'buy a semi'. Thanks! i do like mine, very light, ally reciver, i can push up the ramp and unload it easily too. i dont think it fits me amazingly, and trying to buy anything for it is impossible. not that it will break mind looking forward to see if i can hit more with the wingmaster, i hope so! i've been told the new mossys are alu, not that it makes differance these days, what with aircraft graft aly ect is so bloody tough! i like pumps, over semis, just my personal choice, i like the pump action, i like how it isnt round fussy, you can leave it open, unloaded ect ect so easy to clean, less to go wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy198712 Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 got my wingmaster and it feels a nicer gun then the manufrance does... think it fits me a bit better too. same as the manufrance you can unload the wingmaster easily which is nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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