washerboy Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Would i be granted one on a sgc or would i have to have fac, it will ONLY be used to dipatch foxs at the end of a dig when protecting game birds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 (edited) They were classed as pistols when we were allowed to have them. Section 1 then, but now they would be section 5. But give it a go, people do get section 5s for dispatch. You never know till you ask. Edited February 21, 2012 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washerboy Posted February 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 thanks, digging partner uses a standard 410 but a bit big sometimes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 It would be on a FAC due to the length of the barrels. If you read the police firearms guidance it suggests good reason for them is vermin control around buildings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northeastshooter Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Check this months gun mart got acomment abwt this in there your allwoed them on section one i beleive only scaned it will double chech later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Not section 5 they are section 1 I have had one for vermin control ever since they too proper pistols of us some forces are very reluctant to allow these but just stick to your guns :lol: and ask Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 (edited) Not section 5 they are section 1 I have had one for vermin control ever since they too proper pistols of us some forces are very reluctant to allow these but just stick to your guns :lol: and ask Deershooter But a section 1 shotgun has to have a full stock since they changed it a few years back. Section 1 shotguns without a full stock went to section 5 (in other words banned), so everybody had to buy plastic stocks for them* . How did you get round that? Its the same with Long barrelled pistol, they must have a "stock" even though its just a bar of metal to count as section 1 and it has to be factory fitted, whatever that means? it can't be retro fitted. The interpretation is whether they are a short barrelled shotgun or a smoothbore pistol. Round here they would be a pistol and I'm sure you wouldn't get one on section 1. I do know of one that had to be handed in when the pistol ban came into force, and I know he argued to keep it as a section 1 shotgun but they wouldn't let him (and that was before the stock issues came up) * which is pathetic because on a pump or semi auto shot gun the stock is only held on with one bolt. So if you were going out to rob a bank or murder someone, ten minutes to change stocks maximum. Edited February 22, 2012 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 If you read the police Firearms guidance: Section 4 of the 1997 Act allows the possession and use of shot pistols in calibres .410 and 9mm rimfire, provided that such a pistol is “subject to a condition that it is only for use in connection with the shooting of vermin” (see Appendix 3 for the exact wording of the condition which covers these circumstances). This exemption was intended mainly for pest controllers who may need to use a firearm of this kind in farm buildings, farmyards and similar areas where use of a conventional shot gun would be inappropriate, for example fruit cages or near release pens. Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gyp Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 My mate just got one. He just put in for a variation on his FAC, no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 (edited) Seem a dealer specilisibg in offering derringer style .410 shot pistols at £650 :blink: not cheap but if you really need one that won't be a problem! http://www.gunstar.co.uk/Shotgun/Bond-Derringer-gun-for-sale-gs46353.aspx Edited February 22, 2012 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Section 5 handguns (pistols) which have to be purchased from a S5 dealer are then entered on your S1 fac when you acquire it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.philmypower. Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 They look Awsome don't know what I'd ever use one for but I'd love to have a go of 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 (edited) Shot pistols are not section 5 they are allowed in 9mm and .410 under section 1 like muzzle loading pistols are here we go did not have to get this from a section 5 dealer after the 97 ban Deershooter Edited February 22, 2012 by deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 (edited) Any one else have one of these Deershooter Edited February 22, 2012 by deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedd-wyn Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Any one else have one of these Deershooter James Bond? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washerboy Posted February 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Just the job, a shot gun in a tight soil filled hole isnt always safe/fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washerboy Posted February 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Can I ask how much and whats the name so I can look for one.thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 The name is a Serina I only had to pay £50 but try and get one now they ate like rocking horse ****, you will pay £500 for a good one when I Googled it I could only find one and that had a 24 inch barrel and was from an ad from the 1960s and yes with 3 inch shells it kicks like a mule first time I shot it it ended up behind me :o :o Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washerboy Posted February 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 I shot one 20 yrs ago, my ears were ringing for two days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Thats right :lol: Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washerboy Posted February 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 not sure were the old guy got it from, it was in his landrover glove box for yrs. more like a sawn off 410 ...but 20 yrs ago or more old farmers didnt care Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 (edited) not sure were the old guy got it from, it was in his landrover glove box for yrs. more like a sawn off 410 ...but 20 yrs ago or more old farmers didnt care Since when did landrovers have a glove box? I thought it was just a shelf! http://www.fourten.org.uk/nostalgia1.html few more here: http://www.fourten.org.uk/guns1.html#pistols none of them are very pretty! Edited February 22, 2012 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 HDAV thats the advert I found mine didnt start out with a long barrel as its still full choke with a 8 inch barrel Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Deershooter They are actually S5 but as I said can be acquired on a sutably conditioned fac without the need for authority from the Secretary of State. Shot pistols used for shooting vermin(1) The authority of the Secretary of State is not required by virtue of subsection (1)(aba) of section 5 of the 1968 Act for a person to have in his possession, or to purchase or acquire, or to sell or transfer, a shot pistol if he is authorised by a firearm certificate to have the shot pistol in his possession, or to purchase or acquire it, subject to a condition that it is only for use in connection with the shooting of vermin. (2)For the purposes of this section, “shot pistol” means a smooth-bored gun which is chambered for .410 cartridges or 9mm rim-fire cartridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Did the law change then because the dealer I got it from was not a section 5 dealer?? Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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