markbivvy Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 I have a licence from Defra to shoot crows,dove,certain gulls,jacdaw,jay,magpie,pigeon,rook and wood pigeon. On my own property, in my own garden I would be an authorised person and therefore legal. however the licence does also say in smallprint at the bottom of the page... This licence can only be relied on in circumstances where the authorised person is satisfied that appropriate non-lethal methods of control such as scaring or proofing are either ineffective or impracticable. in other words you tell pc plod that they keep comming back after scaring them away, and they make a mess on your windows and vehicle and damage your roof. (you can be an easily satisfied person ). another thing, the highways act states that an air rifle must not be fired within 50 feet of the centre of a highway, if in so doing causes users of that highway to be detoured, injured or feel threatened. So you are legal if no one is there! tell your neighbour politely to mind his own business :unsure: [/quote all this is just one reason airgunners have so much bad press. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabid bunny Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 when do any gunners have good press? and who believes the press anyway.? :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 http://www.airgunbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129966 something to think about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bipolar Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 http://www.airgunbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129966 something to think about. :unsure: dont work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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youngshot Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 i belive that one of the criteria for the general license is to stop the spread of Disease, if so get some sort of bird e.g. a budgy, then carry on shooting the pigoens and say that you are protecting livestock and stoping spread of Disease. hmm only a thought. Young Shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 i belive that one of the criteria for the general license is to stop the spread of Disease, if so get some sort of bird e.g. a budgy, then carry on shooting the pigoens and say that you are protecting livestock and stoping spread of Disease. hmm only a thought. Young Shot But not a very good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROB REYNOLDS UK Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 i think most of you guys are from air gun bbs its your land you shoot the ******* as long as the pellet does no leave the garden there nothing they can do about it ,tell the guy next door to ring who he likes and tell him the police may do him for wasteing police time ,the rspca will not care ,as they will tell him to ring the rspcb and even they will not wont to know ..but make sure the gun is not over powered and the pellet stays in your grounds ..some of you guys do go over the top some times ring BASC they wil tell you whats what for free .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 ..some of you guys do go over the top some times That's because some of us want to keep our sport. Do you fish? if so sod off and screw that sport up and leave air guns alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 i think most of you guys are from air gun bbs its your land you shoot the ******* as long as the pellet does no leave the garden there nothing they can do about it ,tell the guy next door to ring who he likes and tell him the police may do him for wasteing police time ,the rspca will not care ,as they will tell him to ring the rspcb and even they will not wont to know ..but make sure the gun is not over powered and the pellet stays in your grounds ..some of you guys do go over the top some times ring BASC they wil tell you whats what for free .. Oh my god, you might be right Snakebite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabid bunny Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 as long as the pellet does no leave the garden there nothing they can do about it ,tell the guy next door to ring who he likes and tell him the police may do him for wasteing police time , ..but make sure the gun is not over powered and the pellet stays in your grounds ..some of you guys do go over the top some times ring BASC they wil tell you whats what for free .. even if the pellet does leave the garden on a ricochet, it is not illegal unless the shooter is under 17 years old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 even if the pellet does leave the garden on a ricochet, it is not illegal unless the shooter is under 17 years old. dont know about this bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabid bunny Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 even if the pellet does leave the garden on a ricochet, it is not illegal unless the shooter is under 17 years old. dont know about this bit. Whilst under the supervision of a person aged 21 years or over, or whilst shooting, on private premises, including land, provided the missile is not fired beyond those premises. the above is found on the lower part of page one on the following link, listed in the under 17 years old section. http://www.met.police.uk/firearms-enquiries/airguns1.htm it`s not listed anywhere else, so I presume it only applies to under 17 year olds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 as far as i am aware any spent shot MUST land on your own land/permission.from what ever gun or firearm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabid bunny Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 as far as i am aware any spent shot MUST land on your own land/permission.from what ever gun or firearm. I know it`s common sense, but any idea which section of the law that says that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 just had a look through the home office book and cant find it, will look else were and try to find it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 The law is all about interpretation, and interpretation that would be "reasonable". You hear of loopholes all the time which allow this and that to happen with the aid of clever barristers.. However, assuming that its only illegal for a 17 year old's pellets to land in a neighbours garden, and its fine for everyone else, is just a complete nonsense. I know you want to see where it is written, but don't forget it is not just the specifics of this particular section of legislation which will apply, should the situation arise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shootist Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 However, assuming that its only illegal for a 17 year old's pellets to land in a neighbours garden, and its fine for everyone else, is just a complete nonsense. Agreed Has always been a civil offence for a pellet to leave a boundry however with the introduction of the anti social behavour act it became a criminal offence for 14 to 17 year olds. Under 14's have to be supervised so the adult takes the responsibilty and therefore a civil issue again. In addition.... As to shooting live quarry in your garden I cant see any legitimate reason to do... There's no crops of any consequence or diseases to be controlled. There have been succesful prosecutions in the past for shooting birds (legitimate quarry and on the DEFRA list) in gardens as it cant be justified.... sport or for food are not valid reasons. Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 http://www.airgunbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133318 worth reading Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bipolar Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 http://www.airgunbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133318 worth reading Not working Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 looks like its been zapped.sorry. by the bbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabid bunny Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 However, assuming that its only illegal for a 17 year old's pellets to land in a neighbours garden, and its fine for everyone else, is just a complete nonsense. Agreed Has always been a civil offence for a pellet to leave a boundry however with the introduction of the anti social behavour act it became a criminal offence for 14 to 17 year olds. Under 14's have to be supervised so the adult takes the responsibilty and therefore a civil issue again. In addition.... As to shooting live quarry in your garden I cant see any legitimate reason to do... There's no crops of any consequence or diseases to be controlled. There have been succesful prosecutions in the past for shooting birds (legitimate quarry and on the DEFRA list) in gardens as it cant be justified.... sport or for food are not valid reasons. Tony Tony, I think that if pigeons and crows etc are making a mess of your house and crapping on your car and down your neck etc, that constitutes a health hazard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 With all due respect it doesn't matter what you think, its whats the law says. For what its worth I agree you should be able to shoot things in your own garden. The law and precident are set, however and the thread was about the law Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabid bunny Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 below is a link to a copy of my licence http://www.defra.gov.uk/corporate/regulat/...n/wlf100088.pdf the last two lines at the bottom of the licence states: this licence can only be relied on in circumstances where the authorised person is satisfied that approiate non-lethal methods of control such as scaring or proofing are either ineffective or impracticable. so it`s up to you if you are easily satisfied or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 I have been shooting woodpigeons with my airgun on my privately owned property for some time now. But when a neighbour saw me shooting in my land he threatened to call the police and the RSPCA if I didn't stop. I am looking for some legal evidence to prove that I have the right to shoot pigeon on my land. Since there are no crops on my land I need a legitimate reason within the law to shoot them (apart from them being bloody nuiscences). I was sure it was legal for an authorised person to shoot woodpigeons but my neibour demands legal evidence. Could anybody help me out or give me a direct link. (I've been looking at the Countryside Act of 1981 but cant find anything of use yet.) Thanks. no sign of him since. But when a neighbour saw me shooting in my land he threatened to call the police and the RSPCA i wonder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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