Special Request From FEO

[Dave-G]

Although I see little wrong with an FEO requiring that a newbie has at least some on field guidance it might be very prudent for both the experienced shooter and the 'pupil' to get in writing that it has been approved. I say that because one of my several FEO's emphatically insists that not only can an unlicensed person not use my rifle, but my FAC holder brother cannot shoot my rifle even though he has the same caliber on open, nor can I shoot his under my open ticket.

 

So, one force says go shooting with a mentor before getting a licence, another force prohibits it. Where does this little gem actually leave us? More importantly what happens when a FAC holder confess's in writing to a FLO that he allowed an unlicenced shooter to shoot his rifle?

[webber]

Although I see little wrong with an FEO requiring that a newbie has at least some on field guidance it might be very prudent for both the experienced shooter and the 'pupil' to get in writing that it has been approved. I say that because one of my several FEO's emphatically insists that not only can an unlicensed person not use my rifle, but my FAC holder brother cannot shoot my rifle even though he has the same caliber on open, nor can I shoot his under my open ticket.

 

So, one force says go shooting with a mentor before getting a licence, another force prohibits it. Where does this little gem actually leave us? More importantly what happens when a FAC holder confess's in writing to a FLO that he allowed an unlicenced shooter to shoot his rifle?

 

 

Brilliant, this one has puzzled me for years, but I doubt that we shall receive the absolute answer that we crave.

 

webber

[HDAV]

Erm isn't that what the "estate rifle" clause is all about as with shotguns it has to be the occupier yet with sec 1 it has to be the land owner or their agent.

[robborobbo]

I checked with the BASC on this one. According to them the same rules with shotguns applies to firearms. You are permitted to handle and shoot a firearm on the basis you are accompanied by the fac holder and must be on his or hers approved land.

[TaxiDriver]

Who is to say or prove that the person who vouches for you to the Firearms licencing section is even experienced/qualified to do so ?

Isn't that just Police Firearms Licencing passing the buck ? Or throwing in their own obstacles to try and discourage applicants.

 

I live in such a small house it's impossible to hide anything for very long, guns are in the cabinet with trigger locks fitted, bolt and catridges in the internal safe inside the cabinet,

Keys are then kept inside a securely fastened combination safe to which only I have the combination.

 

It's not "determined burglar with time to drill/grind/cut or force his way into" proof,

BUT, I feel, I have taken all reasonable steps to secure my firearms/cartridges against unlawful use.

Edited April 14, 2012 by TaxiDriver

[JonathanL]

Although I see little wrong with an FEO requiring that a newbie has at least some on field guidance it might be very prudent for both the experienced shooter and the 'pupil' to get in writing that it has been approved. I say that because one of my several FEO's emphatically insists that not only can an unlicensed person not use my rifle, but my FAC holder brother cannot shoot my rifle even though he has the same caliber on open, nor can I shoot his under my open ticket.

 

So, one force says go shooting with a mentor before getting a licence, another force prohibits it. Where does this little gem actually leave us? More importantly what happens when a FAC holder confess's in writing to a FLO that he allowed an unlicenced shooter to shoot his rifle?

 

He's wrong.

 

J.

[HDAV]

Fact is the law does not require competency, just good reason! Is it sensible no but it is the law, should the law be changed? Yes, has it been? Not yet!

[Davyo]

No..."idea being that his wife could find keys"

It's so they are locked away and only he knows the combination,rather than hiding them and her finding the keys.

I have my keys in a combination safe, and only i know the combination,(what happens if i peg it) I have often thought about this one.(SHOULD THE POLICE FIREARMS AUTHORITY be made aware of it so the safe can be accessed to remove my guns ??)

Edited April 17, 2012 by Davyo

[bedwards1966]

I have my keys in a combination safe, and only i know the cobination,(what happens if i peg it) I have often thought about this one.(SHOULD THE POLICE FIRE ARMS AUTHORITY KNOW IT??)

 

I think that the guidance is that you should leave the spare key (or combination code) with your will in an envelope marked "not to be opened until I'm dead or mentally incapacitated" or something along those lines, then the executer of the will would organise it all.

Personally I think it's better to leave the details with someone else with a SGC/FAC but, especially where FAC is concerned, where they don't have access to the house containing the cabinet so they don't legally have access. But that's another topic.

I would not want to trust the police with the data required to access my cabinet, I could see a laptop getting left on a train with the addresses of all certificate holders and their safe codes!

[HDAV]

I have my keys in a combination safe, and only i know the combination,(what happens if i peg it) I have often thought about this one.(SHOULD THE POLICE FIREARMS AUTHORITY be made aware of it so the safe can be accessed to remove my guns ??)

Whole ball of worms that one..... do what you think is correct.

[Bluebarrels]

I have my keys in a combination safe, and only i know the combination,(what happens if i peg it) I have often thought about this one.(SHOULD THE POLICE FIREARMS AUTHORITY be made aware of it so the safe can be accessed to remove my guns ??)

 

:lol: angle grinder :lol: BB