storme37 Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 you still think criminals care about licences how will a licence prevent crime ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxiDriver Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 The day i havent got room in my cabinet for an air rifle or two is the day i'll pack it in Buy a Bigger Cabinet . :good: There ya go fixed that for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 (edited) i will stick my neck out here i bet 80% of shotgun crime is with unlicensed weapons making the existing laws tougher would be a better solution. yes financially is exactly why the sport would lose shooters. air gunning has always been affordable shooting for young people and people on lower incomes long may it stay that way Edited May 2, 2012 by storme37 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 Why would it kill the sport for legitimate shooters? Many people, young and old, are introduced to shooting through air rifles and if too many obstacles are put in the way fewer will give it a go. I wouldn't have had an air rifle at 12 or so if I had to pay for a licence first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 Many people, young and old, are introduced to shooting through air rifles and if too many obstacles are put in the way fewer will give it a go. I wouldn't have had an air rifle at 12 or so if I had to pay for a licence first. Pretty sure most people who are introduced to full bore rifles and shotguns do so before having a license - yet is didn't stop us acquiring a license did it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted May 3, 2012 Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 I think Gixer means it will possibly stop this kind of person from owning one...it needs little explanation. And for what its worth I agree with Gixer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hiYwDXaXpk&feature=fvst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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storme37 Posted May 3, 2012 Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 mr criminal please buy a licence lol our laws we have dont work lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 (edited) Storme, respectfully, I think you are missing the point. I think we all know that people using guns for serious crime will get them easily enough. Its the irresponsible that licensing would cut out to a very high degree. If you are serious enough about the sport, then you will have no objection to licensing. Whilst I agree that waiting to be granted a license can involve a long wait in some areas, if it cuts down dangerous idiots like the above video, even by half, that can only be a good thing. Waiting for a license will test a persons patience, and if a person doesn't possess that, then either they are not that interested or are not the sort of person to be in charge of one, shotgun, firearm, or air rifle. Just my opinion Edited May 4, 2012 by turbo33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 (edited) i do see some of your points but i really dont agree with licencing air guns i dont believe we have enough air gun crime to warrant it and the effect on the people trying to get into the sport would not be worth it, and it would probably price young shooters out of the sport and whos to say the irresponsible would not get a licence and still be foolish then they would fall foul of the laws we already have or simply get away with it anyway. Edited May 4, 2012 by storme37 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 (edited) i believe if licencing was brought in it would be simply to raise revenue my concerns are that young people who are responsible will not be able to shoot, if at 12 there had been licences i doubt my parents would have stumped up for one god i had enough trouble convincing them to let me keep my gun would i have missed out on this great experience? Edited May 4, 2012 by storme37 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 Storme, respectfully, I think you are missing the point. I think we all know that people using guns for serious crime will get them easily enough. Its the irresponsible that licensing would cut out to a very high degree. If you are serious enough about the sport, then you will have no objection to licensing. Whilst I agree that waiting to be granted a license can involve a long wait in some areas, if it cuts down dangerous idiots like the above video, even by half, that can only be a good thing. Waiting for a license will test a persons patience, and if a person doesn't possess that, then either they are not that interested or are not the sort of person to be in charge of one, shotgun, firearm, or air rifle. Just my opinion Nail hit firmly on head, licensing is not going to stop gangsters but will reduce "ned crime" no pricing has been mentioned so the argument people would be priced out is irrelevant, it could even be suggested it would be a similar thing to tax exempt vehicle licensing - free but still policed - most sane people an judge if a person is fit to hold a firearm just by visiting thier house and observing thier conduct for half a hour (kinda like the current FEO visit) I think you also underestimate the amount of airgun crime stormey, there are certain surveys and statistics that rate it as accounting for almost half of gun crime.... Regards, Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 (edited) I certainly agree that there is a case for having a licence for airguns , though I think that if that were the case the legal limit could be put up to say 18ft/lb . I know it is a affordable way for new shooters to enter the sport but it is also a affordable way for the local half wits to cause havoc and suffering to people , property and pets. No its not going to stop some getting hold of them if they want but it will mean that a greater punishment can be handed out to those that have one that is not licenced. So to sum up should they be licenced NO does their need to be YES in my opinion. Edited May 4, 2012 by fenboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 i would have to see those stats before i make a comment on that. and i doubt it would be a free licence so until that's proved its not irrelevant. still i dont believe they will bother licencing the air gun unless theres money in it so until then i will take on board your points and respectfully agree to disagree on this one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 i however would be happy with licencing if you could get a 1 time licence like a car that was cheap and didnt involve you handing in your gun if you move ect just so they could know whos got what. theres a compromise a licence without as many restrictions as a sgc and a power raise would be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 guns dont need licences, people need em...to breed that would be the ultimate control, over lots of social problems I think Gixer means it will possibly stop this kind of person from owning one...it needs little explanation. And for what its worth I agree with Gixer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hiYwDXaXpk&feature=fvst spot on - these dullards are not really 'criminals' - just halfwits who misuse air rifles because they are freely availible - would morons like these go through the process of aquiring one illegally just to do this? i dont think so. but it is exactly these kind of morons who will end up being the justification for draconian laws to be brought in. lets face it - if a 'criminal' really wanted a firearm, he will get one, but the majority of problems with air rifles come from low level misuse by people just like the morons in this video. mr criminal please buy a licence lol our laws we have dont work lol see my point above! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 i would have to see those stats before i make a comment on that. and i doubt it would be a free licence so until that's proved its not irrelevant. still i dont believe they will bother licencing the air gun unless theres money in it so until then i will take on board your points and respectfully agree to disagree on this one It's a forum and that's why we have discussions, no disrespect was meant through any of this and I also see your points chap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 It's a forum and that's why we have discussions, no disrespect was meant through any of this and I also see your points chap. exactly and i mean no disrespect either i just hope for a balance that works to be fair if a hassle free way of licencing came into force that still allowed for the needs of young shooters and didnt require major problems with house moves ect then i would be ok with it. we all want to see idiots stopped on that we agree. maybe registration plus a requirement to inform of change off address plus harsher penalties to people like the guys in the video would be the way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 exactly and i mean no disrespect either i just hope for a balance that works to be fair if a hassle free way of licencing came into force that still allowed for the needs of young shooters and didnt require major problems with house moves ect then i would be ok with it. we all want to see idiots stopped on that we agree. maybe registration plus a requirement to inform of change off address plus harsher penalties to people like the guys in the video would be the way to go. Ok, thanks....now go and change your vote.... :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 not a chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 Now that has to be a PW first! Good debate, no ranting and viewpoints expressed without the post being removed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boristhedog Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 I can understand where some of you are coming from regarding a licence for air gun ownership but I tend to worry about detail etc. My concern is that whilst a simple process could, perhaps, weed out those that shouldn't have an air gun, those that draft legislation and police it would use a sledgehammer to crack the nut. A complex, and thereby expensive, system could very soon develop. Would it stop there? Would licensing air guns then be enough? Would, for example, catapults be next on the list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 Now that has to be a PW first! Good debate, no ranting and viewpoints expressed without the post being removed Amazing what can be achieved when Ackley some member doesn't post silly comments... I can understand where some of you are coming from regarding a licence for air gun ownership but I tend to worry about detail etc. My concern is that whilst a simple process could, perhaps, weed out those that shouldn't have an air gun, those that draft legislation and police it would use a sledgehammer to crack the nut. A complex, and thereby expensive, system could very soon develop. Would it stop there? Would licensing air guns then be enough? Would, for example, catapults be next on the list? I think the catapult issue is maybe pushing it as I can't think of one newspaper headline mentioning a catapult killing a child/cat/dog etc....but I am aware there are some pretty powerful catapults/bow's etc out there... Regards, Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 theres always 1 lol http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2510573.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 I would like to see some control over air guns just to stop the wanner bee snipers getting a hold of them . There must be thousands of people out there with air guns who would have absolutly no chance of being issued a firearms certificate . You read about it every day in the papers ,air gun shot in street or pet cats and dogs shot with air gun pellets . A nember of people have been killed by willful use of air guns . I am surprised that they have not been put on some kind of licence . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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