smartecosse Posted May 11, 2012 Report Share Posted May 11, 2012 I had been going to get a PCP .22 to replace the .22 HW35 that I currently have but have seen that 2nd hand there seem to be better deals on the .177 version on what I want than the .22 Is a .177 BSA Ultra suitable for shooting wood pigeons or would it be problematic? Thanks for any advice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted May 11, 2012 Report Share Posted May 11, 2012 (edited) The problem with the BSA Ultra is the hokey cokey cocking system. Normal bolt action rifle, lift bolt up, pull bolt back (on some pull bolt down, like BSA Super 10 mark 3, then lift bolt up), push bolt forward, pull bolt down.... Easy one handed operation. If sidelever simply pull side lever back then push forward. BSA Ultra! Press side switch down, catch probe as it shoots back otherwise a nasty and very loud metallic clack rings through the permission, if using single shot load pellet, push probe forward. With other hand, move down to under barrel off the forend completely and pull MMC switch back. Then move hand back under forend to take aim. The rifle will move all over the place as you do this and probably be aiming at the next county! Not such a good idea. Something like a Scorpion is a much better bet than the Ultra. I speak as somebody who owned an Ultra, I had a new one, for 3 weeks, in the end I took it back to the gun shop, took the loss and used the money to buy a Super 10. People have managed to get double and even triple loads on the Ultra as they repeatedly load and wonder why no pellet comes out the other end, as they have not cocked the action! If you fit a bipod remember to fit it backwards or the folded legs obscure the MMC action! .177 is great for shooting pigeons, my Super 10 has taken plenty! Edited May 11, 2012 by secretagentmole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smartecosse Posted May 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2012 Thanks very much for the detailed reply! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter.123 Posted May 11, 2012 Report Share Posted May 11, 2012 I was looking at an ultra before I went the fac route and man are they awkward to load! Definetly look at a scorpion or the super10 as the man above said. He is talking perfect sense! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted May 11, 2012 Report Share Posted May 11, 2012 (edited) If you want a multishot and do not mind a full length rifle then one of the most overlooked rifles on the market is the Hatsan AT44. This little beast has either a Walnut stock or a synthetic ambidextrous stock! Comes with 2 magazines, has an anti double load system, so one shot, fire, no chance of a double load, good number of shots per fill as well! Coolhandmal on here has one and thinks it is a superb piece of kit. Screwcut so a silencer can be fitted and it has a very quiet mechanism! Have a look at one! I can pick one up from a gunshop near me, genuine Edgar Brothers one, £295.. Has one slight flaw, the safety comes on every time you load the rifle, you just have to remember to shift your thumb up and press it back in before firing! Other rifles don't have this, for example the HW100 (much more expensive) you just pull the lever and press fire (you cannot put the safety on an HW100 unless it is loaded)! Edited May 11, 2012 by secretagentmole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted May 11, 2012 Report Share Posted May 11, 2012 I had been going to get a PCP .22 to replace the .22 HW35 that I currently have but have seen that 2nd hand there seem to be better deals on the .177 version on what I want than the .22 Is a .177 BSA Ultra suitable for shooting wood pigeons or would it be problematic? Thanks for any advice Hi fella, have you actually handled an Ultra, or just fancy getting one? I've had mine for 2 1/2 yrs and had no problems with it at all. I got it regged after a short time [6 months] and it made a nice gun into a superb gun. TBH this question comes up a lot, and the Ultra gets its usual slagging off,,,, well, the MMC does, but as quirky as it is, if used/cocked correctly it isn't as bad as some people make out It is possible to double load, but aren't most air rifles??? In answer to your question.... Yes, the BSA Ultra in .177 is very suitable for shooting pigeons, and all other air gun quarry,,,, but so is .22 My opinion? Give it a go, you don't know if you don't try it atb Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted May 11, 2012 Report Share Posted May 11, 2012 I personally shoot .177 and prefer that caliber for most shooting but as the Ultra has quite a small air cylinder it might be worth going for .22 as you'll get more shots per fill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demonwolf444 Posted May 11, 2012 Report Share Posted May 11, 2012 .177 will take anything a .22 can with shot placement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted May 11, 2012 Report Share Posted May 11, 2012 I imagine the Ultra is like anything in life that is a bit complicated. you get used to the system and then it all makes sense and wonder what the fuss is all about! Like clutch control for a learner. it might be a bit of a pain to start with, but you work out a rhythm, and then you get into a groove. i very nearly bought one because it's so compact, which is a massive advantage when shooting from a car or around buildings. Went for an AA S510 only because it was a deal too good to miss out on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin128 Posted May 11, 2012 Report Share Posted May 11, 2012 .177 good for target .22 good for birds. :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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