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  1. chrisjpainter

    BREXIT - merged threads

    Nope.
  2. chrisjpainter

    BREXIT - merged threads

    I think we're now (finally) in the position where everyone knows what Brexit would actually mean. Now a deal's been effectively squashed, it's Hard Brexit or Remain. Most people on here are hard deal Brexiteers, so it's not much of an issue, but plenty of people - particularly those in business - voted to leave on the premise of getting a better, fairer trading deal with the EU. If a majority is gained by remain that showed that, given the choice more people wanted to remain rather than to leave with no deal, that should be accepted - it is after all a demonstration of the will of the people. But by a clear majority, I'd want to see it 55+. But I still think there has to be more of a desire for it than there currently is. Right now it's just the classic remoaners. I don't see a clear desire in terms of concerted, coordinated rallies across the country, or areas that voted to leave suddenly switching.
  3. chrisjpainter

    BREXIT - merged threads

    Worryingly good point! To my mind, the worst possible result would be a tight Remain win. That will be utterly disastrous. If it's a tight Leave, I can live with that - Brexit means Brexit after all! and f it's a good remain win, that's obviously indicative of a lot of people changing their minds, which shouldn't be ignored. but a close remain will as you say just descend into best of three...five...etc...
  4. chrisjpainter

    BREXIT - merged threads

    The answer should be then we get on with it. A second referendum is now at least a bit more straightforward now May's deal is dead. It's either remain or hard brexit. I'm a Remainer, so given the current circumstances I now favour a second referendum, but only on the terms above. It's No Deal Brexit or Remain. If No Deal wins, then any MP who tries to dodge round that should be forced to resign for not listening. Twice.
  5. chrisjpainter

    squirrel control

    So you have! many thanks
  6. chrisjpainter

    BREXIT - merged threads

    Remainers and Brexiteers all celebrating outside Westminster. Do you think they all joined together and had one big love in? No...I suspect not!
  7. chrisjpainter

    squirrel control

    Sounds good, have you got a link?
  8. chrisjpainter

    BREXIT - merged threads

    Oooh the Dark Lord's risen. How long before his master wakes up too
  9. chrisjpainter

    BREXIT - merged threads

    i guessed as much. you should have been clever and made it 231
  10. chrisjpainter

    BREXIT - merged threads

    hahaha nice wowzers
  11. chrisjpainter

    USA Shutdown

    He should leave the unused bricks on the ground. Everyone knows walking lego bricks bare foot is more painful than rusty nails!
  12. chrisjpainter

    BREXIT - merged threads

    - 120 - 150 - 168 Anyone else any takers? Anyone think the Government's got a better chance than a snowball's chance in hell?
  13. chrisjpainter

    BREXIT - merged threads

    Anyone taking bets on the size of the defeat? I'm going for a 120 defeat...
  14. chrisjpainter

    USA Shutdown

    I have watched the video. Unfortunately, picked apart, it really doesn't help the argument. To say that he'll never vote for the Dems ever again is so short sighted. Party dynamics change, party policies change. To show such intransigence is to commit yourself to blind acceptance, regardless of policies. I've voted Tory all my life in the generals and locals. would I refuse to vote for anyone else because of that? No, and nor should anyone. Surely we should vote for the people who best reflect our opinions/beliefs - even if that means changing your voting habits. To do anything else would be to deliberately vote against your own beliefs... He's right about the myth of the switch. But it's difficult to say he's any kind of voice of reason, or that he's not blinded by propaganda. For example, he starts with a complaint against public schools, which is reasonable to a point, but it's not an argument to not vote democrat - it should be an argument to not vote, the list of complaints he gives would be as equally true for a GOP government as a Dem one, so you can't use it as a reason to refuse to vote for one in favour of the other. Public schools struggle because they're underfunded, teaching standards are poor and there's chronic ill discipline. That's true regardless of who holds the White House or Congress. And he makes a good case for the ideological instabilities of lots of deprived cities where black people live below the poverty line having democratic governors. But he should probably be a little more accurate with his facts too...Martin Luther King refused to openly endorse any party and was quick to point out that both parties have failed black people: 'The ***** has been betrayed by both the Republican and the Democratic party. The Democrats have betrayed him by capitulating to the whims and caprices of the Southern Dixiecrats. The Republicans have betrayed him by capitulating to the blatant hypocrisy of reactionary right wing northern Republicans. And this coalition ...defeats every bill and every move towards liberal legislation in the area of civil rights.' (The Papers of Martin Luther King, Jr: Symbol of the Movement, January 1957 – December 1958) He also admitted that he'd always voted Dem in the past (when quizzed before the Eisenhower election) and later, publicly urged people to vote against GOP candidate Barry Goldwater. His personal papers also indicate he voted for but never publicly endorsed JFK. And yes, the Dems have made good hay out of the poverty of black people - but so has the GOP and certainly the right wing Northern Republicans that King warned about have hardly helped in convincing black voters that the GOP has their interests at heart. The fact is that this video should be a case of a plague on both their houses, but instead he's picked one side, extolled its virtues and damned the other. He's just another chap with a reasonable argument, which like so many others on both sides, has got plenty of holes in it, much like both sides. Also typifies why I'm so glad I don't live in America, thus don't have to vote for either of the parties! Edit: Pigeonwatch has censored Martin Luther King! direct quote should read 'Ne.gro' Apologies to the Mods for dodging the censor filter, but it's Dr King saying it, so hopefully that makes it okay?
  15. chrisjpainter

    USA Shutdown

    'Your [sic] not seriously suggesting' I have to go through every one of the posts I've put up in this thread and requote the sources again, are you? 🤣 You could just read up? I made sure it was made up of right and left leaning sources...
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