darren m Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 need my dogs to retrieve to hand from water , no messing , sometimes they will sometimes its the usual wait till i,ve had a good shake any sure fire ways to get them to do it right every time thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labstaff Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 Have you tried standing on the edge of the water so they don't get time to shake before taking the retrieve? If that works start to slowly build up the distance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 Have you tried standing on the edge of the water so they don't get time to shake before taking the retrieve? If that works start to slowly build up the distance. Then command "shake" when they are about to do it anyway, better take a few steps back first. they soon learn "shake" on command then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Actionpigeons Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 (edited) Have you tried standing on the edge of the water so they don't get time to shake before taking the retrieve? If that works start to slowly build up the distance. Agree: put a pr of willies on and stand just in the water if you can, take the dummy from the dog before it gets out of the water. Then slowly over a cpl of weeks work your way back so you are standing on the bank. Its all repeat repeat with dog, so they get in the habit of doing something the way you want them to do it. Edited June 2, 2012 by Actionpigeons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren m Posted June 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 Then command "shake" when they are about to do it anyway, better take a few steps back first. they soon learn "shake" on command then explain why please mate , i thought i did,nt want it to shake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergie Posted June 3, 2012 Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 I think the idea is so the dog shake on your command i.e after it has delivered to hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted June 3, 2012 Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 explain why please mate , i thought i did,nt want it to shake sorry, intercept the dog at its point of exit- take the retrieve, step back and command "shake" the moment its gonna anyway and praise when it does. after a while it will get the jist and await the command, many a jolly jape can be played on familly and friends then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Actionpigeons Posted June 3, 2012 Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 sorry, intercept the dog at its point of exit- take the retrieve, step back and command "shake" the moment its gonna anyway and praise when it does. after a while it will get the jist and await the command, many a jolly jape can be played on familly and friends then sorry lost this one on me, cant see the point of getting a dog to shake on command I am more interested in the dog doing a good retrieve/delivery. The dog will shake anyway and I am not dressed in my Sunday best when I am shooting or training. if I have a problem I put a pr of willies on and stand just in the water if I can, take the dummy from the dog before it gets out of the water. Then slowly over a cpl of weeks work my way back so you are standing on the bank. Its all repeat repeat with dog, so they get in the habit of doing something the way you want them to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted June 3, 2012 Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 I agree with starting close to the water and building distance, also correct the shaking if the dog does it - however you do that is up to you and dependent on the dog. Sometimes there's a fine line between standing close enough to the water to "connect" with the dog before it shakes and being just that wee bit too close that the dog is relaxed enough to have a shake when it feels it is close enough to you. If you can train in still water, throw a dummy into the water and use it as a memory, walk 60 or 70 yards away and send the dog from there. If it's keen to get back it will cover the distance back to you without thinking about shaking. Just my thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracker Posted June 4, 2012 Report Share Posted June 4, 2012 Sometimes there's a fine line between standing close enough to the water to "connect" with the dog before it shakes and being just that wee bit too close that the dog is relaxed enough to have a shake when it feels it is close enough to you. If you can train in still water, throw a dummy into the water and use it as a memory, walk 60 or 70 yards away and send the dog from there. If it's keen to get back it will cover the distance back to you without thinking about shaking. Now Will, where did you ever learn that one? You and Kent got this topic "comprehensively covered." actionpigeons, along with precipitating precipitation , the shaking on command precipitates "a good retrieve/delivery" - the dog learns it's got to wait until it delivers the bird before it's given the "shake" command visually or verbally. Like everything else in training, "it's all repeat repeat with the dog"...) MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pontbeck Posted June 4, 2012 Report Share Posted June 4, 2012 I don`t trial and I`m happy with the retrieve whether the dog shakes or not, as long as it holds the bird and delivers to hand, Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted June 4, 2012 Report Share Posted June 4, 2012 sorry lost this one on me, cant see the point of getting a dog to shake on command I am more interested in the dog doing a good retrieve/delivery. The dog will shake anyway and I am not dressed in my Sunday best when I am shooting or training. if I have a problem I put a pr of willies on and stand just in the water if I can, take the dummy from the dog before it gets out of the water. Then slowly over a cpl of weeks work my way back so you are standing on the bank. Its all repeat repeat with dog, so they get in the habit of doing something the way you want them to do it. Ok so the dog leaves the water and put the duck down, that suddenly gets a second wind and escapes OR it grips tighter so as not to loose its rerieve on shaking perhaps starting a hard mouth. Though personly i aint too keen on being sprayed with mud and water in the face as soon as i bend and take the bird from the dog. if you dont mind this fine i am sure others do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Actionpigeons Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 (edited) Ok so the dog leaves the water and put the duck down, that suddenly gets a second wind and escapes OR it grips tighter so as not to loose its rerieve on shaking perhaps starting a hard mouth. Though personly i aint too keen on being sprayed with mud and water in the face as soon as i bend and take the bird from the dog. if you dont mind this fine i am sure others do I have trained and worked dogs for a longer than I care to remember, none of my dogs would put anything down after I have finished training them and are ready for the field. I take the bird from the dog at the same time I take a step back. Its very obvious when a dog is going to shake. If a dog is putting Dummy/birds down to have a shake they are not ready for the shooting/trialing field. I like to keep my commands to a minimum, mostly working just with a whistle and hand signals. If the shake command works for you all well and good but I don’t feel the need for it. As for the Situation of a dog leaving the water and putting the duck down to have a shake is usually a dog that has been taken out before it’s training has been finished to a proper standard Edited June 5, 2012 by Actionpigeons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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